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    Default Re: remove susestudio logo

    On Mon, 21 May 2012 12:16:02 +0000, tertitten wrote:

    > exactly what am I expecting except the possibility to debrand/use own
    > branding that makes you fall of your chair ?


    Well, honestly, it's the same thing that makes me fall out of my chair.
    The idea (as I perceived it) that SUSE should give something access to
    something this complex away for free and not expect anything in return
    for it. Not even a "hey, look at what can be done with this free tool"
    by putting a non-obtrusive logo on the appliance saying "this appliance
    was built with our tool".

    That's not a question of nerve or having a sturdy chair, it's a question
    of being floored that a service that requires a fair bit of
    infrastructure to run but is provided at no cost shouldn't expect that
    people who use it accede to the one requirement that their appliances
    identify that this free tool was used to build them.

    I mean it really, really is a pretty sweet deal even with the branding
    requirement, and that seems a very small price to pay for the use of a
    tool that has a significant infrastructure behind it.

    For those who want the flexibility to completely brand it themselves,
    there's a paid-for version that gives you that flexibility.

    But to expect that a company that provides a tool for free have "no
    strings attached" but pay for the hardware, infrastructure, support
    staff, etc out of their own pocket and expect to give them nothing - not
    even a little free advertising (which in general just draws more people
    to the free tool anyways) seems just a bit unfair.

    Perhaps you'd prefer that they charge a monthly fee for the service
    instead?

    Jim

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    Jim, your not playing nice with good comments like these

    Anyway, I think the discussion has stalled, at least I don't have any more arguments to come up with, I still expect to be able to apply own branding simply because what is the true spirit of open source and linux, but I guess I have said that allready

    Cheers, and a good night..

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    Default Re: remove susestudio logo

    On Tue, 22 May 2012 00:36:02 +0000, tertitten wrote:

    > Jim, your not playing nice with good comments like these
    >
    > Anyway, I think the discussion has stalled, at least I don't have any
    > more arguments to come up with, I still expect to be able to apply own
    > branding simply because what is the true spirit of open source and
    > linux, but I guess I have said that allready


    Well yeah, you have - and I've given you some guidance on how to remove
    it in spite of my opinion.

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    Default Re: remove susestudio logo

    On 2012-05-22 02:36, tertitten wrote:
    >
    > Jim, your not playing nice with good comments like these
    >
    > Anyway, I think the discussion has stalled, at least I don't have any
    > more arguments to come up with, I still expect to be able to apply own
    > branding simply because what is the true spirit of open source and
    > linux, but I guess I have said that allready


    -1

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    On 05/22/2012 02:36 AM, tertitten wrote:
    > I still expect to be able to apply own branding simply because what
    > is the true spirit of open source and linux


    this is really simple: in the spirit of open source and linux you are
    very welcome to visit kernel.org and pick up a free and open kernel of
    your choice, and then visit the all the other places necessary to pick
    up the source code and compile the other pieces you need for your
    appliances..

    and then "just" put them all together exactly the way you want them, and
    while doing so you may brand your appliance to your satisfaction..

    *or* if you don't want to put in the 200 hours (or more) of *work* that
    might require, you may _choose_ to use a simple, time saving, FREE tool
    like SUSE Studio offered to you in the true spirit of open source and
    linux.....but, if you don't like its branding you you should choose a
    different tool to do what you need.

    now, if you pay me my rate for those 200 hours i'll . . .

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    dd@home.dk;4765 Wrote:
    > On 05/22/2012 02:36 AM, tertitten wrote:
    > > I still expect to be able to apply own branding simply because what
    > > is the true spirit of open source and linux

    >
    > this is really simple: in the spirit of open source and linux you are
    > very welcome to visit kernel.org and pick up a free and open kernel of
    > your choice, and then visit the all the other places necessary to pick
    > up the source code and compile the other pieces you need for your
    > appliances..
    >
    > and then "just" put them all together exactly the way you want them,
    > and
    > while doing so you may brand your appliance to your satisfaction..
    >
    > *or* if you don't want to put in the 200 hours (or more) of *work*
    > that
    > might require, you may _choose_ to use a simple, time saving, FREE
    > tool
    > like SUSE Studio offered to you in the true spirit of open source and
    > linux.....but, if you don't like its branding you you should choose a
    > different tool to do what you need.
    >
    > now, if you pay me my rate for those 200 hours i'll . . .
    >
    > --
    > dd


    +1

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    tertitten;4753 Wrote:
    > You are also off-topic when mentioning kiwi. This thread is about
    > susestudio and branding, not kiwi.


    Again we disagree... I see this as on topic as I'm handing you a
    way to do this yourself so you can show the fruits of your labor.


    Cheers,
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  8. #28

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    OK guys, I give up

    It's been one of these discussion that has been friendly all the way, so I'll stop here, since those discussions seems to be more rare these days

    I am pretty satisfied to with my appliance, the gfxboot theme and bootsplash are both custom branded for installed users, while the live user still has the basedonopensuse branding which is fine.

    In the start of my project I couldn't figure out what was wrong with my packages as I really assumed that if I made custom packages with custom themes for bootsplash, gdm, gfxboot, etc it would overwrite the suse branding.. I quickly realized that my experience in working in other derivatives didn't count for nothing as the live session contains a couple of scripts created by some other scripts that overrides your own custom themes. This was surprising to me and unexpected and this is where my ill feelings about susestudio overwriting my own packages came from.

    Anyway, I am satisfied with how it is now, and I really don't want to base my work on any other dristribution as I find the suse base to be the most stable and versatile to work with.

    I may look into Kiwi at a later point, but that is only because I guess building locally makes more sense since it's probably faster, and I don't have to constantly download iso's to test them properly.

    Off Topic: I talked to someone on IRC about the documentation for susestudio being outdated, apparently suse are moving all documentation to a new base or plattform, hence the documentation will probably not be updated for a while (if I understood correctly that is)

    It would be nice to have some updated documentation, especially as far as what to expect and not to expect from susestudio. For example, I am not the only one that has had wrong expectancy as far as branding goes, a quick search in the forums gives you a pretty good idea of how many people that actually expects it. This is only one example of "wrong" expectancy, I am sure there are more.

    The gnome documentation is terribly outdated, does anything in that documentation even work any longer?
    In my opinion it should be removed at once with a notice that updated documentation are coming soon.
    Personally I knew a long time ago that it was outdated so the "wrong" documentation hasn't affected me, but I think it's a shame it's there where it may confuse people.

    Just some thoughts

  9. #29

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    i am ok with logo.
    but it decreases the image quality.
    i guess it saves jpg with quality 80-85 or something.
    i always save pictures at least 95 or higher.

  10. #30
    Jim Henderson NNTP User

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    On Tue, 28 Aug 2012 09:26:03 +0000, tony almeida wrote:

    > i am ok with logo.
    > but it decreases the image quality.
    > i guess it saves jpg with quality 80-85 or something.
    > i always save pictures at least 95 or higher.


    At least in SUSE Studio onsite, the quality used is 100 in some cases, 97
    in others. Just had a look.

    Jim

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