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    Default Re: Automatic Updates - Is Apper as useless as Packageit was?

    Hi and thanks for an interesting thread. My question is why do I sometimes get a notification to update from apper which is not shown as required if I use Yast online update?
    Budgie2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Budgie2 View Post
    Hi and thanks for an interesting thread. My question is why do I sometimes get a notification to update from apper which is not shown as required if I use Yast online update?
    Budgie2
    It could be because apper is still enabled in the system-settings
    service manager startup services
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    Default Re: Automatic Updates - Is Apper as useless as Packageit was?

    On 2012-03-08 00:56, Budgie2 wrote:
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    > Hi and thanks for an interesting thread. My question is why do I
    > sometimes get a notification to update from apper which is not shown as
    > required if I use Yast online update?


    Because YOU only shows updates from the update repo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DenverD View Post
    On 03/02/2012 11:16 PM, tsu2 wrote:
    > Apper's really not useless particularly if it does exactly what it's designed to
    > do.


    Apper is a KDE product which conflicts with YaST/Zypper...how it works
    with apt or yum i have no idea...
    If apper conflicts with zypper, YaST conflicts with zypper as well, as you can only run one of them at the same time. Conclusion, your claim is wrong. Even more so since apper is just a frontend to packagekit and packagekit uses zypper as backend. I hope you can do the maths…

    Most issues people have with apper are acutally zypp backend bugs. Sorry to destroy the illusion.

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    On 2012-03-09 01:06, rabauke wrote:
    > Most issues people have with apper are acutally zypp backend bugs.


    No, they are packagekit bugs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robin_listas View Post
    On 2012-03-09 01:06, rabauke wrote:
    > Most issues people have with apper are acutally zypp backend bugs.


    No, they are packagekit bugs.
    Hm, should I believe you or the people at openSUSE actually working on the zypper, packagekit and apper code? I guess the answer is obvious. A little learning is a dangerous thing.

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    Default Re: Automatic Updates - Is Apper as useless as Packageit was?

    Quote Originally Posted by rabauke View Post
    Most issues people have with apper are acutally zypp backend bugs. Sorry to destroy the illusion.
    If that had been true then I (and others) would not have been able to resolve the problem simply by using Yast and/or zypper instead of apper/packagekit. I note that many others have reported the same result on this forum.

    for example on 25/02/12 07:56, caf4926 wrote:
    Quote Originally Posted by caf4926 View Post
    Don't use Apper

    Configure it not to check for updates

    Use your terminal and run this

    Code:
    su -
    zypper patch
    When it's done, run it again
    and then
    Code:
    zypper up
    To read other similar comments you might wish to go here or simply do a search of the forums for "packagekit"

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    Default Re: Automatic Updates - Is Apper as useless as Packageit was?

    To repeat myself: A little learning is a dangerous thing. If you do not even know that packagkit uses a zypp backend, well…

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    Default Re: Automatic Updates - Is Apper as useless as Packageit was?

    On 2012-03-09 13:46, rabauke wrote:
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    > robin_listas;2446985 Wrote:
    >> On 2012-03-09 01:06, rabauke wrote:
    >>> Most issues people have with apper are acutally zypp backend bugs.

    >>
    >> No, they are packagekit bugs.
    >>

    >
    > Hm, should I believe you or the people at openSUSE actually working on
    > the zypper, packagekit and apper code? I guess the answer is obvious. A
    > little learning is a dangerous thing.


    The suse devs said they were packagekit bugs, so I believe them.

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    Default Re: Automatic Updates - Is Apper as useless as Packageit was?

    Quote Originally Posted by caprus View Post
    If that had been true then I (and others) would not have been able to resolve the problem simply by using Yast and/or zypper instead of apper/packagekit. I note that many others have reported the same result on this forum.
    YaST Package Management Modules -> libzypp
    zypper -> libzypp
    Apper -> PackageKit -> PackageKit zypp backend -> libzypp

    And the YaST team says the fault is in the "PackageKit zypp backend" (and a little part in libzypp) and not in Apper or PackageKit (Re: [opensuse-factory] packagekit still in 12.1? 12.2).

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