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    Angry K3B Sleeps WTH????

    This is really silly but I have no idea how to investigate this....

    K3b (KDE Disk Burning) sleeps while burning a disk, producing a very expensive coaster. Since transitioning
    to KDE a few months ago when I installed OpenSUSE 12.1, I have been trying to use the native apps for such
    tasks but K3b baffles me.

    Here is what happened last time:

    - Late at night I start burning a Blu-Ray disk. The process starts and reaches about 3% saying that 1 hours and 18 mins are left.
    - I leave the computer as is, without logging off, shutting down or anything and go off to bed.
    - The next morning, when I check the computer, the disk burning is at 28%! That is 8 hours later.
    - Then in about 10 minutes it has already moved from 28% to 52%.

    The same thing (with slightly different numbers of course) happened last week. Given there is nothing to do about the
    disk in progress I let the process complete to 100% and it actually says that it completed successfully when done.
    Only thing is that I checked the MD5 sums and did the ZIP file self-test and I got corrupted files on the disk

    Is there a way to avoid this? Is this normal? In case it makes a difference, this is a desktop system running
    OpenSUSE 12.1 64-bit with all the packages up to date. I tried this with two burners and K3b slept both times.
    One was a Pionner BDR-205 and the other a Plextor LB950SA. BTW, I also disabled Enhanced Halt and AMD
    Cool & Quiet without a difference.

    Thanks in advance,

    - Itai
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    On 02/24/2012 03:16 PM, idanan wrote:
    > Is this normal?


    it depends entirely on how you have set up the power management....if,
    for example you did a default install and have not adjusted the power
    management i'd guess the machine is doing what it was told:

    After xx minutes of no keyboard or mouse input, do [something].

    and, that something could be tak a nap, turn completely off or some
    other thing..

    go Personal Settings > Configure Desktop > Hardware > Power Management >
    Global Settings and i guess there you will see that the power management
    profile for your plugged in desktop is "Performance" and then if you
    click (on the left) on "Power Profiles" and in the next window click on
    Performance (on the left) then on the right you can see what is check
    marked to happen at certain times after the last detected key/mouse input..

    give that a whirl.. and let us know how you get on..

    oh, by the way: my word picture advice is based on my system (11.4 and
    KDE4.6.0) so, if it doesn't fit yours system: next time mention what you
    are using in the question and i might save my typing time..

    OH MAN, cool photos in your google link! (and, i added you into my SUSE
    circle)


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    Quote Originally Posted by DenverD View Post
    On 02/24/2012 03:16 PM, idanan wrote:
    > Is this normal?


    it depends entirely on how you have set up the power management....if,
    for example you did a default install and have not adjusted the power
    management i'd guess the machine is doing what it was told:

    After xx minutes of no keyboard or mouse input, do [something].

    and, that something could be tak a nap, turn completely off or some
    other thing..

    go Personal Settings > Configure Desktop > Hardware > Power Management >
    Global Settings and i guess there you will see that the power management
    profile for your plugged in desktop is "Performance" and then if you
    click (on the left) on "Power Profiles" and in the next window click on
    Performance (on the left) then on the right you can see what is check
    marked to happen at certain times after the last detected key/mouse input..

    give that a whirl.. and let us know how you get on..
    Thanks for the suggestion. I went in and saw that the Profile being used is Performance
    but I do not see anything that looks suspicious

    oh, by the way: my word picture advice is based on my system (11.4 and
    KDE4.6.0) so, if it doesn't fit yours system: next time mention what you
    are using in the question and i might save my typing time..
    Sorry, you are right, I should mention which version of KDE I use. Guess I did
    think about it because I never changed it from what shipped with 12.1 other
    than the suggested upgrades. Looks like I have 4.7.2.

    OH MAN, cool photos in your google link! (and, i added you into my SUSE circle)
    Thanks!
    - Itai
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    Default Re: K3B Sleeps WTH????

    On 02/25/2012 01:36 AM, idanan wrote:
    > I went in and saw that the Profile being
    > used is Performance
    > but I do not see anything that looks suspicious


    after you saw that you were using Performance then did you switch the
    the next page....that is, switch from "Global Settings" to "Power
    Profiles" and then click on "Performance" and then see what it is set to
    do...mine is set to "Suspend Session" after 150 minutes (see
    http://paste.opensuse.org/85115591), if yours is set to anything less
    than the time it takes to burn that disk, it _will_ go to sleep before
    it is finished burning....because it starts counting from the last time
    the keyboard of mouse was used...

    as i recall i think 11.4 was default installed with a 30 time limit to
    shutdown or . . .

    take another look...

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    Default Re: K3B Sleeps WTH????

    On 2012-02-25 01:59, DenverD wrote:
    > if yours is set to anything less than the time it takes to burn that disk,
    > it _will_ go to sleep before it is finished burning....because it starts
    > counting from the last time the keyboard of mouse was used...


    It would still be a bug.

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    On 02/25/2012 04:03 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
    > It would still be a bug.


    well...you may be right (you most often are!) but:

    if the user _expected_ the clock-reset to triggered by (say) playing a
    audio CD, or video DVD, or burning a blueray, or downloading a torrent
    or or or or), and it didn't--then that would be a bug *if* the user's
    expectation was founded in a sure knowledge of the system...that is, it
    would be a bug *if* the documentation said that the power saver profile
    sampled to see if a disk were being burned would reset the "system in
    use" clock each time it found something being burned (or whatever)..

    but, it would _not_ be a bug if the doc said that only the keyboard or
    mouse were checked..

    now, i _believe_ the situation we have here is not a bug but wishing for
    an obviously handy new feature....i agree: it would be nice for the
    power management folks to offer the users the ability to easily (in a
    GUI) specify a wide range of events which could be sampled to determine
    if it is ok the shutdown, hibernate, sleep or whatever..

    i guess that feature request probably needs to go directly to the KDE
    crowd (because apparently the openSUSE devs don't send FATEs upstream,
    or do they?)

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    On 2012-02-25 20:10, DenverD wrote:
    > On 02/25/2012 04:03 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
    >> It would still be a bug.

    >
    > well...you may be right (you most often are!) but:
    >
    > if the user _expected_ the clock-reset to triggered by (say) playing a
    > audio CD, or video DVD, or burning a blueray, or downloading a torrent or
    > or or or), and it didn't--then that would be a bug *if* the user's
    > expectation was founded in a sure knowledge of the system...that is, it
    > would be a bug *if* the documentation said that the power saver profile
    > sampled to see if a disk were being burned would reset the "system in use"
    > clock each time it found something being burned (or whatever)..


    You can consider it two ways at least. The burning application knows that
    it should not be interrupted or it will fail, so it should impede the
    machine from suspending, same as a video application impedes the screensaver.

    For example the xine viewer accesses the keyboard changing the status of
    (IIRC) the bloqnum led, so that the operating system thinks there was
    keyboard activity. It is a hack, but it works in any desktop.

    You can consider that the user doesn't know he has to manually configure
    the system not to sleep unless he is told by the application.

    Yes, it also can be considered a feature, but it is indeed needed in that
    situation.

    The system, when it is going to sleep automatically should tell all
    (registered) applications that it is going to sleep and if it is ok to go
    to sleep or someone has an impediment. I'm not aware if kde or gnome can do
    such a thing, but I remember seeing it in Windows programming more than ten
    years ago, so I would expect them to have it implemented. Maybe I expect
    too much >:-)


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    Default Re: K3B Sleeps WTH????

    On 2012-02-25 20:10, DenverD wrote:
    > i guess that feature request probably needs to go directly to the KDE crowd
    > (because apparently the openSUSE devs don't send FATEs upstream, or do they?)


    Probably.

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    On 02/25/2012 09:28 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
    > Maybe I expect too much


    no we only expect too much if we expect it to work one why while it is
    coded another..

    i didn't know xine can stop the power management functions from closing
    down the system..

    and, wonder how many users might walk away from their system 'knowing'
    it will go to sleep in (say) 30 minutes because they are not using the
    keys/mouse...and, then get back 5 hours and a dead battery
    later...because the _expected_ it to know the right thing to do ??

    i know this: all of my "TV" comes via the net (through Firefox and Flash
    in KDE4.6), and i can assure you that that combo WILL go to sleep
    exactly as told to in power management regardless of what is streaming
    in or out.......if i'm not doing the keys/mouse, it *will* close down.

    and, most importantly: that is exactly what i expect it to do.

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    Default Re: K3B Sleeps WTH????

    Idanan,

    Check this thread it maybe of some help:
    http://forums.opensuse.org/english/g...nking-kde.html
    In your case especially the 1st part as it applies systemwide.
    We are what we think.
    All that we are arises with our thoughts.
    With our thoughts we make the world.

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