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    Hi there. I'm kind of new to openSUSE (mainly Debian user), but i don't think it really matters regarding the following several problems i've encountered using (trying out) openSUSE that i'm about to describe now. First of all, you might probably wanna know why i chose 11.4 and not 12.1. Well, the answer is simple: Gnome 2.32. And yes, just like many others i can't use Gnome 3, that's unbearable to me. I've heard that it's kinda possible to get Gnome 2.32 on openSUSE 12 using 11.4 repos, but i doubt that it's really a good thing to do. As for other WM's, they don't please my sight too much. And that's not all. SUSE 11.4 software seems to be quite updated even today. At least it's twice as newer than even on Debian stable that i'm still using, and having less probs than i had trying out openSUSE with newer kernel (2.6.37) and lotsa other stuff. So, obviously, lack of updates is not the issue here. And also it should be just fine for my hardware.

    Now, for the problems i've discovered on SUSE 11.4. Of course, as usual they're all simply ridiculous, but i won't refer to SUSE as such now, 'cause all linux distros have such things. Most of them can be solved though, but like always you have to find out first how to accomplish that. Ok, here goes:

    1) Couldn't turn off mic monitoring, could hear myself speaking/blowing into microphone. There was no option to turn it off, only to reduce it, but still audible. Probably some audio glitch as usual. That's a minor problem, yet complementing the rest of it.

    2) Sun JAVA 7 or openjdk wouldn't work properly (mainly java plugin). Again, some sound glitch. Applets tend to swallow bits and pieces of sound while running. Has been encountered on Debian too, but successfully solved. Same approach whatever it was has no effect on SUSE. The problem persists. Perhaps incorrect installation method, but i tried all i could. I think it's something else.

    3) VLC player launches with quite a long delay for a lightweight player, that usually appears in a flash on any other platform/distro. Here it's slow. Ran from the terminal - no errors. It's simply delayed. When clicking through buncha clips that might be quite obstructive. Maybe launcher properties, dunno.

    4) No GKSU to my surprise. I need that BAD.

    5) For some reason most of apps refuse to run as root from the terminal reporting various errors.

    6) If turn compiz desktop effects on i get partial text corruption on some screens. Usually in browsers. Like bits and pieces were cut off the page.


    Maybe it's all lack of experience, but honestly, it just doesn't look like that Anyways, i'd be glad to receive any help on the given above issues.

    Now for my hardware just in case:

    AMD Athlon(tm) II X2 240 Processor (2800Mhz)
    RAM: 4gb
    Video: Nvidia GeForce GT240
    Audio: onboard HDA Intel

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    Default Re: Bunch of problems with openSUSE 11.4

    1. Can't help you
    2. Using sun java and plugin only should work
    3. I noticed this delay of a few seconds. But I never looked in to it, I hardly use VLC (preferring smplayer)
    4. gnomesu gedit (to edit files)
    5. su -
    6. Never had this problem. You need to specify detail with screens and your settings for fonts and hinting.

    FYI: 11.4 is IMO probably the best release of any distro in a long time.
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    Default Re: Bunch of problems with openSUSE 11.4

    Quote Originally Posted by Zelator View Post
    1) Couldn't turn off mic monitoring, could hear myself speaking/blowing into microphone. There was no option to turn it off, only to reduce it, but still audible. Probably some audio glitch as usual. That's a minor problem, yet complementing the rest of it.
    There are many apps that should allow you to disable the mic. I prefer to use pulse audio volume control (pavucontrol) which I think is installed by default in gnome. If not, install it. Launch it by typing 'pavucontrol'.

    You should also be able to do this by launching 'alsamixer' and/or using 'amixer' (where the syntax for amixer is obscure, and you can read up on its syntax by typing 'man amixer' ).

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    Default Re: Bunch of problems with openSUSE 11.4

    On 02/20/2012 04:56 AM, Zelator wrote:
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    > 2) Sun JAVA 7 or openjdk wouldn't work properly ... Perhaps incorrect installation method, but i
    > tried all i could. I think it's something else.


    -=WELCOME=- new poster!! happy to see you doing a test drive..

    use YaST Software Management to uninstall openJDK...i do not know how
    you installed SUN Java, but i use YaST Software Management to install
    mine and it works fine (with openJDK uninstalled) in 11.4

    i _guess_ if you cleanly removed the SUN you installed, and then used
    YaST to install, it might work...but, i do not think java plays a part
    in any "sound qlitch"....i think your bad actor might be Flash.

    > 3) VLC player launches with quite a long delay


    quantify "long delay" is that 2 seconds or 25?


    > 4) No GKSU to my surprise. I need that BAD.


    never heard of it--what is it used for?


    > 5) For some reason most of apps refuse to run as root from the terminal
    > reporting various errors.


    probably because you're doing it 'wrong' for openSUSE, correct procedure
    _here_ is in a user terminal type
    Code:
    gnomesu <app>
    and give root pass when asked

    or type "su -" (see ) give root pass then the app executable name
    (though, sometimes there will be a problem...which is avoided by using
    gnomesu


    > 6) If turn compiz desktop effects on i get partial text corruption on
    > some screens. Usually in browsers. Like bits and pieces were cut off the
    > page.


    sounds like a video driver problem: http://tinyurl.com/37v9y7m


    >
    > Maybe it's all lack of experience, but honestly, it just doesn't look
    > like that


    well, a thousand years experience in Debian will not prepare you for the
    differences between the two distros! and, if when you wrote "mainly
    Debian user" if you meant Debian spinoff, maybe this info on the
    differences between openSUSE and Ubuntu will help some (and, maybe it
    will also help a pure Debian user, i do not know):

    http://tinyurl.com/ubuntu-to-openSUSE
    http://tinyurl.com/Ubuntu-Differences


    > Anyways, i'd be glad to receive any help on the given above
    > issues.


    *THIS* may be the most important thing i write: next time put only one
    question in each thread, and give each thread a subject which will draw
    in the 'experts' for THAT problem..

    lucky that two of the most expert of all took the trouble to look in on
    "bunch of problems" already..

    again, welcome...hope you enjoy the test drive, and be sure to:

    Have a lot of fun.

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    Default Re: Bunch of problems with openSUSE 11.4

    Ok, let me just answer to every reply of yours.

    4. gnomesu gedit (to edit files)
    5. su -
    Thanks, that's very valuable info.

    6. Never had this problem. You need to specify detail with screens and your settings for fonts and hinting.
    Now.. this one is a little bit tougher.. let me just tell you at once, that i have LCD monitor that is not identified by EDID with Nvidia drivers. I dunno why, but initially it gives me lowres whereas it actually has to give me 1280x1024. I had this on Debian too, and every other distro i've tried and what i did was.. i connected my PC to BBK TV/monitor which was identified successfuly and gave all REAL resolutions, forced it down to 1280x1024 (it's actually HD 1920x...) saved xorg.conf and used it back on Debian. I know, that's tricky, but i was just tired messing with xorg, trying to add some resolutions, it was all useless, so i decided to go tricky a bit. Anyhow, it worked, and it still works for me on Debian, no probs with that, be compiz off or on - doesn't matter. So i guess it shouldn't matter for SUSE either, but i had to provide these details for not to bring anyone in confusion. Also, speaking of fonts, on Debian i'm using custom rules for fonts.conf, alias,conf, local.conf, misc.font and msfonts-rules.conf that were snatched using this script here: Ubuntu / Debian Script To Install Sharp Fonts ~ Web Upd8: Ubuntu / Linux blog
    Of course, the script itself works only on Debian and Ubuntu, but it does no biggie, basically it gets microsoft fonts first and then snatches the rules from elsewhere. Those rules were made on BSD as far as i know, and they actually work on any distro. I need it, cause that's how i get "XP fonts". I hate anti-aliased fonts. Not only it turns it off everywhere... it substitutes some fonts so the browsers would pick the best fonts for the webpages. So yeah, same thing i applied to SUSE. And i think this is yet another thing that shouldn't matter. Also, these rules for most part override whatever is specified in font settings on Gnome. Once again, i'm saying all this just to let you know how the things are set up here. Again, i don't think that should cause any troubles. I think it's yet another driver - hardware - compiz conflict. In normal (metacity only) mode the display is fine. If compiz is on - corrupted. So i really dunno what kinda details you want me to provide, i think that's a bit more tricky than it seems. I can't tell for sure, but probably i'd have the same thing even if i didn't install no rules. Yet that could be monitor/driver issue, yes. Just in case let me show you my xorg.conf that works for this monitor of mine on every distro:

    # nvidia-settings: X configuration file generated by nvidia-settings
    # nvidia-settings: version 290.10 (buildd@barber) Fri Dec 9 09:55:46 UTC 2011

    Section "ServerLayout"
    Identifier "Layout0"
    Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0
    InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
    InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer"
    Option "Xinerama" "0"
    EndSection

    Section "Files"
    EndSection

    Section "InputDevice"
    # generated from default
    Identifier "Mouse0"
    Driver "mouse"
    Option "Protocol" "auto"
    Option "Device" "/dev/psaux"
    Option "Emulate3Buttons" "no"
    Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
    EndSection

    Section "InputDevice"
    # generated from default
    Identifier "Keyboard0"
    Driver "kbd"
    EndSection

    Section "Monitor"
    # HorizSync source: xconfig, VertRefresh source: xconfig
    Identifier "Monitor0"
    VendorName "Unknown"
    ModelName "CRT-1"
    HorizSync 30.0 - 80.0
    VertRefresh 60.0 - 75.0
    Option "DPMS"
    EndSection

    Section "Device"
    Identifier "Device0"
    Driver "nvidia"
    VendorName "NVIDIA Corporation"
    BoardName "GeForce GT 240"
    EndSection

    Section "Screen"
    Identifier "Screen0"
    Device "Device0"
    Monitor "Monitor0"
    DefaultDepth 24
    Option "TwinView" "0"
    Option "metamodes" "1280x1024_60 +0+0; 1280x1024 +0+0"
    SubSection "Display"
    Depth 24
    EndSubSection
    EndSection


    There are many apps that should allow you to disable the mic. I prefer to use pulse audio volume control (pavucontrol) which I think is installed by default in gnome. If not, install it. Launch it by typing 'pavucontrol'.
    Actually, i had this idea myself, but i just didn't bother doing that, cause i thought that it probably wouldn't work, just like everything else. But i'll try though Thanks.

    You should also be able to do this by launching 'alsamixer' and/or using 'amixer' (where the syntax for amixer is obscure, and you can read up on its syntax by typing 'man amixer' ).
    I've tried that actually. Didn't work. But that's where i reduced it to the minimum possible. Still i could hear it. What i need is to turn off mic monitor COMPLETELY. And i didn't find that.

    use YaST Software Management to uninstall openJDK...i do not know how
    you installed SUN Java, but i use YaST Software Management to install
    mine and it works fine (with openJDK uninstalled) in 11.4

    i _guess_ if you cleanly removed the SUN you installed, and then used
    YaST to install, it might work...but, i do not think java plays a part
    in any "sound qlitch"....i think your bad actor might be Flash.
    Well.. i did it many ways, using Yast & repos or doing it manually by downloading rpm's from official website and then assigning java plugin to browser-plugin directory using "ln -s" command. Plugin works perfectly, and "java -version" shows the one i installed correctly, it's just the sound that gives me bad time. Again, I HAD THIS ON DEBIAN TOO, and no, that's no flash related thing, trust me. I've done it quite a few times, and that's something about Java and audio system, i dunno. Also, i prefer not to use openJDK at all, i have bad experience using that. On Debian its kinda ok with icedtea6 plugin. But yeah, "KINDA". It would kick my CPU up to 100% after a little while and even if i close the applet it would still be 100% until i close the entire browser. With new and REAL java 7 it doesn't happen. With sun java 6 i had exactly the same audio glitch as i've described having on SUSE. BUT.. here's the thing, for SUSE it doesn't matter now which java to use, be it 6 or 7 - same thing. As for openjdk.. it acts totally weird. It can either swallow bits of audio or even get stuck with every move of an applet with a delay of 2 seconds, like "move... move... move...", dunno how else to describe. I use these websites to check how really good java works: Playforia - Free Online Games With Cool Avatars (here i usually test it on Pool game), Monopoly | Pogo.com <-- and that game doesn't work just for EVERYONE, try it, i bet one of you guys will experience some problems running it, i can feel it (don't try running on Chrome, usually doesn't work for anyone at all) Still, now both work perfectly well for me on Debian using:

    java version "1.7.0_03"
    Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.7.0_03-b04)
    Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 22.1-b02, mixed mode)

    See if you can be the same successful with openJDK And also, i just never had problems with flash, really. Not even on SUSE.

    > 3) VLC player launches with quite a long delay

    quantify "long delay" is that 2 seconds or 25?
    For about 3 seconds maybe, but it seems to be longer than that, cause usually on any other system it just pops out right after you clicked on it, so common.. that's not a good thing for such a mega-distro. I mean of course i can't blame the whole thing because of one app, but hey.. when there's a whole shitload of such things that turns out to be quite annoying. And that's only what i've discovered so far, but what else is lurking in the deeps of this allmighty OS? Joking.

    *THIS* may be the most important thing i write: next time put only one
    question in each thread, and give each thread a subject which will draw
    in the 'experts' for THAT problem..
    Well, sorry about that, it would just take a bit longer to put each of these probs in appropriate section... next time for sure, but for now it's just too many of these problems for me to sort them out accurately. So yeah, it was my little desperate move here.

    By the way guys, you still haven't told me why i can't save no passwords on SUSE, i mean, do i really have to type it everytime i wanna run YasT and on top of it it closes everytime the operation is finished just to give me some more of hard times?

    Thank you everyone.

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    Default Re: Bunch of problems with openSUSE 11.4

    I tried those games and they both seem to work fine on my 12.1 kde install

    You'll have to wait until I check 11.4 on my eeepc
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    Default Re: Bunch of problems with openSUSE 11.4

    Quote Originally Posted by caf4926 View Post
    I tried those games and they both seem to work fine on my 12.1 kde install

    You'll have to wait until I check 11.4 on my eeepc
    Should have added: 12.1 is using openJDK
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelator View Post
    Now.. this one is a little bit tougher.. let me just tell you at once, that i have LCD monitor that is not identified by EDID with Nvidia drivers. I dunno why, but initially it gives me lowres whereas it actually has to give me 1280x1024.
    Have you tried replacing the monitor cable?

    The reason I mention that is because a couple of years ago I had a problem where the nvidia driver failed to correctly identify my Viewsonic monitor, regardless of distro, though it had no problem identifying a cheap I-Inc monitor using the same cable. I spent hours trying to troubleshoot the driver until I stumbled across an obscure blog post (which I can't find anymore) from someone who had the same problem and solved it by replacing the monitor cable. When I tried that, it worked. I still have the same monitor, but with a different nvidia card and newer driver, and I still find that the cable makes a difference in whether the nvidia driver can identify my monitor.

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    On 02/20/2012 05:06 PM, Zelator wrote:
    > By the way guys, you still haven't told me why i can't save no
    > passwords on SUSE, i mean, do i really have to type it everytime i wanna
    > run YasT and on top of it it closes everytime the operation is finished
    > just to give me some more of hard times?


    first, yast software manager can be used to install many things at one
    time...like, say you search for an click to install ApplicationA--if you
    have others to install, just then search for ApplicationB, mark it for
    install and then search on ApplicationC---then when you have all marked
    to install THEN click the "Accept" button

    and, yast software manager can be set to remain open after completing
    an operation, can be clicked down out of sight and will 'idle' with next
    to no resources required...to set that (on my system, i don't know about
    your gnome) go YaST > System > /etc/sysconfig Editor > System > YaST2 >
    PKGMGR_ACTION_AT_EXIT, spin the Settings from the default 'close' to
    'summary' and the software manager will pause at the summary, where you
    can then choose 'finish' which will proceed and shutdown or 'back' which
    takes the window back to where you can search again....or, drop it out
    of sight....because:

    no, the system will not remember root password for you...you have to put
    it in each time you need it...what i do is once i have a root powered
    thing (like yast, gedit, nautilus or whatever) opened i just stick all
    of those on the same (unseen) desktop and they just remain
    available.....but, CAUTION: that is a huge security problem if you do
    not maintain complete physical security over your machine at all times..

    so, you are a straight Debian user, huh?

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    Default Re: Bunch of problems with openSUSE 11.4

    I tried those games and they both seem to work fine on my 12.1 kde install
    Well, 12.1 can be slightly different i guess. However, not only that matters, also your hardware. So if you have probs on one system it doesn't mean you'd get the same on another. So.. that doesn't really explain anything...

    Have you tried replacing the monitor cable?

    The reason I mention that is because a couple of years ago I had a problem where the nvidia driver failed to correctly identify my Viewsonic monitor, regardless of distro, though it had no problem identifying a cheap I-Inc monitor using the same cable. I spent hours trying to troubleshoot the driver until I stumbled across an obscure blog post (which I can't find anymore) from someone who had the same problem and solved it by replacing the monitor cable. When I tried that, it worked. I still have the same monitor, but with a different nvidia card and newer driver, and I still find that the cable makes a difference in whether the nvidia driver can identify my monitor.
    Someone recommended me to do that already, but someone else told me that it's impossible. My monitor doesn't have DVI thing at all. Meaning, it only supports CRT cable... That's weird... you might wanna check it out as well, it's Acer AL1914. Anyways, when i was still using my ATI integrated videocard it was all fine, all resolutions accessible, although monitor was still unidentified saying "uknown". Same goes for Windows, all fine there, even with Nvidia drivers. On linux it's another story.


    DenverD, thanks for all the instructions, i'll keep that in mind And yes, i am Debian user in general. On one hand because it's very friendly and flexible in many ways, on the other because i can't really use anything else no matter what distro, every time some troubles. I like openSUSE, it's interesting, also lotsa fresh software, also i like the artwork and it's fast too. At least gnome there is more responsive and sensitive. I like that. But some things are really tough to go past....

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