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    Default Gimp in openSUSE is a mess

    So I just opened Gimp and it's a mess. The toolbar and layer menu are completely focused wrong. When I minimise Gimp, the toolbars stay in place. When I maximise Gimp, one of the toolbars ends up behind the main window. If I adjust the toolbar's settings to stay on top, then it stays on top of every other application and not just Gimp's main window.

    Either I'm doing something wrong, or this is not desirable behaviour.

    Any tips?

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    Default Re: Gimp in openSUSE is a mess

    On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 13:26:02 +0530, Forkjulle
    <Forkjulle@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote:

    >
    > So I just opened Gimp and it's a mess. The toolbar and layer menu are
    > completely focused wrong. When I minimise Gimp, the toolbars stay in
    > place. When I maximise Gimp, one of the toolbars ends up behind the main
    > window. If I adjust the toolbar's settings to stay on top, then it stays
    > on top of every other application and not just Gimp's main window.
    >
    > Either I'm doing something wrong, or this is not desirable behaviour.
    >
    > Any tips?
    >


    until GIMP 2.8 will be released some time this year, you can only work
    around these problems -- or compile the development version, 2.7, as i'm
    doing. (but that's quite a bit of hassle.)

    workaround for the misbehaving toolbars is to hide them before minimizing
    GIMP, by hitting <tab> (if necessary twice; sometimes once doesn't do it,
    depending on where your focus is). with the toolbars hidden, they don't
    float around everywhere.

    GIMP 2.8 (as well as 2.7) comes with a single window mode, which doesn't
    have these problems.

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    Default Re: Gimp in openSUSE is a mess

    On 02/02/2012 09:08 AM, phanisvara das wrote:
    > GIMP 2.8 (as well as 2.7) comes with a single window mode, which doesn't
    > have these problems.


    which is a giant step backwards! which is to say: multiple windows gives
    the 'artist' so much more flexibility in use of screen space..

    instead of making it easier to program (in one window) they should fix
    the problems..

    well, i guess if Photoshop uses one window, full screen everything
    allways on top, then that must be best, right!

    the downfall of GIMP will be when the programmers get to decide _how_
    the program works.....sigh.

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    On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 14:15:55 +0530, DenverD
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    > On 02/02/2012 09:08 AM, phanisvara das wrote:
    >> GIMP 2.8 (as well as 2.7) comes with a single window mode, which doesn't
    >> have these problems.

    >
    > which is a giant step backwards! which is to say: multiple windows gives
    > the 'artist' so much more flexibility in use of screen space..
    >
    > instead of making it easier to program (in one window) they should fix
    > the problems..



    hold on, i didn't say the new GIMP had only single window; it has both.
    you can choose, and i don't see how this can be bad.

    i thought like you, that i liked the multiple window mode just fine, but
    eventually i find myself using single window mode more, because it's just
    easier / faster to deal with a bunch of (small) images.


    > well, i guess if Photoshop uses one window, full screen everything
    > allways on top, then that must be best, right!
    >
    > the downfall of GIMP will be when the programmers get to decide _how_
    > the program works.....sigh.
    >


    if you followed the GIMP dev. mailing list, you'd know that you're not
    talking sense here. there aren't very many GIMP developers, unfortunately,
    and one of them is peter sikking, a UI expert. there goes a lot of thought
    into every design decision in GIMP, and according to me, they are on the
    right way.

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    Default Re: Gimp in openSUSE is a mess

    On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 14:36:44 +0530, phanisvara das
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    > well, i guess if Photoshop uses one window, full screen everything
    > allways on top, then that must be best, right!


    one thing GIMP does NOT want to be, or try to be, is a photoshop clone --
    even though many assume so.

    > the downfall of GIMP will be when the programmers get to decide _how_
    > the program works.....sigh.
    >


    with GIMP, it's only the developers who decide what's happening -- after
    listening to users, but the decision making process is pretty authocratic.

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    Default Re: Gimp in openSUSE is a mess

    On 02/02/2012 10:06 AM, phanisvara das wrote:
    > hold on, i didn't say the new GIMP had only single window; it has both.
    > you can choose, and i don't see how this can be bad.


    GREAT!! the choice is very very good!

    >
    > if you followed the GIMP dev. mailing list


    no (sigh) i have not...not enough hours in the day, already!

    > you're not talking sense here.


    i see that now, thank you for the informed position!


    > and according to me, they are on the right way.


    sounds that way to me, now....also..
    as long as they don't become clone makers, it will be good!---i love
    GIMP, it is the best thing i've come across since Corel Draw....better
    even since GIMP uses standard file formats while Corel Draw liked to
    'improve' their file formats so you had to buy never versions (à la M$)..

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    Default Re: Gimp in openSUSE is a mess

    On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 15:11:05 +0530, DenverD
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    > On 02/02/2012 10:06 AM, phanisvara das wrote:
    >> hold on, i didn't say the new GIMP had only single window; it has both.
    >> you can choose, and i don't see how this can be bad.

    >
    > GREAT!! the choice is very very good!
    >
    >>
    >> if you followed the GIMP dev. mailing list

    >
    > no (sigh) i have not...not enough hours in the day, already!



    yes, it's difficult to decide; one can't follow everything, obviously, but
    i find that following some mailing lists / forums, even if it's as a
    'lurker' mostly, that saves me lots of time researching problems when they
    occur -- because they happened to others already.


    >> you're not talking sense here.

    >
    > i see that now, thank you for the informed position!



    you're welcome, and sorry if i sounded a bit harsh in my reply. felt it
    was necessary to 'defend' the GIMP dev's decisions, because they have to
    deal with a lot of criticism on many points, like, "...why don't you do
    this like PS," and the whole single / multiple window issue produced a lot
    of heated arguments, too.


    >> and according to me, they are on the right way.

    >
    > sounds that way to me, now....also..
    > as long as they don't become clone makers, it will be good!---i love
    > GIMP, it is the best thing i've come across since Corel Draw....better
    > even since GIMP uses standard file formats while Corel Draw liked to
    > 'improve' their file formats so you had to buy never versions (à la M$)..
    >


    thinking that i couldn't live without photoshop kept me from switching to
    linux for a long time -- until i really got into GIMP, and now, even if PS
    ran on linux, i would still use GIMP. there's a few things, like it can't
    save in > 8 bit color depth yet, but that's mostly for high resolution
    printing, which i don't do. and that's the next thing planned, after
    releasing 2.8.

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    Default Re: Gimp in openSUSE is a mess

    On 2012-02-02 10:41, DenverD wrote:
    > sounds that way to me, now....also..
    > as long as they don't become clone makers, it will be good!---i love GIMP,
    > it is the best thing i've come across since Corel Draw....better even since
    > GIMP uses standard file formats while Corel Draw liked to 'improve' their
    > file formats so you had to buy never versions (à la M$)..


    But corel draw worked with objects, not bitmaps, so they needed their own
    format. The gimp also has its own format, although not proprietary.

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    Default Re: Gimp in openSUSE is a mess

    I agree with the op that gimp is a mess, but is it really only in opensuse?
    People who do not break things first will never learn to create anything

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