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    Default Re: beclock new version

    Quote Originally Posted by DenverD View Post
    On 01/27/2012 06:16 PM, pier andreit wrote:
    > becouse I think is better to have the last well working version in
    > repos


    well....you idea of what should be in the repos and openSUSE's idea are
    two different things, read this:

    openSUSE:Maintenance policy - openSUSE

    on the whole it says we fix bugs and security problem, we don't just run
    in the latest version because it is available.....now, i think there are
    other distros which pander to the
    must-have-the-newest-of-everything.....but, that is not openSUSE..
    but it also says
    some cases it might be sensible to use the a new upstream version instead of applying a patch.
    and I think it is the case
    Quote Originally Posted by DenverD View Post
    if you need the newest more than you need bread and beer you need to
    learn how to compile--or find a distro with a different version update
    strategy..
    I don't need the newest, I need a working version, I subscribed the maintenance mailing list, may be I can better understand policy and how to ask to upgrade :-) many thanks :-))

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    Default Re: beclock new version

    On 01/28/2012 09:56 AM, pier andreit wrote:
    >
    > but it also says
    > some cases it might be sensible to use the a new upstream version
    > instead of applying a patch and I think it is the case.


    no...the word 'patch' in used the context of a *security* patch...that
    is, if there is found a security problem in (say) beclock, it _will_ be
    patched (in 11.4 and 12.1) as soon as possible.

    however, and as an alternative: instead of patching 0.14 it might be
    just as easy, or even a lot easier and quicker to lay 0.16 in the update
    repo and fix the security problem that way..

    in other words: in general openSUSE does not update applications (like
    beclock) in supported versions. but, that position is not held so
    strongly that they wouldn't take the easiest and quickest fix to solve
    the security problem for 11.4 and 12.1

    see the difference?

    > I don't need the newest, I need a working version


    as far as i can tell from your posting there _is_ a working version
    (which is not needing a security patch) for 11.4 and 12.1, right?


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    Quote Originally Posted by DenverD View Post
    > I don't need the newest, I need a working version[/color]

    as far as i can tell from your posting there _is_ a working version
    (which is not needing a security patch) for 11.4 and 12.1, right?
    yes it doesn't need of a security patch, but it doesn't works well, the disappearing on mouse hoover is a need in this application, otherways it would be a simple clock plasmoid, better than plasmoid, but a simple clock. taking proper proportions it is as if kmail only receive email and don't send, it works but not well.

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    Default Re: beclock new version

    On 01/28/2012 12:16 PM, pier andreit wrote:
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    > it doesn't works well, the
    > disappearing on mouse hoover is a need in this application



    what? that is not a security problem...in fact it is not a problem that
    anyone cares enough about to even log a bug:

    https://bugzilla.novell.com/buglist....search=beclock

    so, why should anyone even consider going to the trouble of packaging
    0.16 for something so minor that even strong proponents of the
    application (like yourself) will neither log a bug nor do more than ask
    someone else to do more work..

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    Default Re: beclock new version

    Quote Originally Posted by DenverD View Post
    On 01/28/2012 12:16 PM, pier andreit wrote:
    >
    > it doesn't works well, the
    > disappearing on mouse hoover is a need in this application



    what? that is not a security problem...in fact it is not a problem that
    anyone cares enough about to even log a bug:
    Yes, I didn't say that it was a security problem only that is a no-well-working problem
    Quote Originally Posted by DenverD View Post
    so, why should anyone even consider going to the trouble of packaging
    0.16 for something so minor that even strong proponents of the
    application (like yourself) will neither log a bug nor do more than ask
    someone else to do more work..
    becouse I don't know how many problems involve a compilation of beclock, I ask to the beclock developer that there was a problem in beclock, he solved, and, as I am only a user, I supposed it was simple and automatic in suse upgrade a such simple application as that I succeed even to compile it by myself on my pc...
    I didn't know that for to have an upgraded application in the repos it needs to open a bug, I will open a bug in novell... :-))

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    On 01/28/2012 04:26 PM, pier andreit wrote:
    > I didn't know that for to have an upgraded application in the repos it
    > needs to open a bug, I will open a bug in novell..


    you miss the point entirely.

    openSUSE does not rotate in new versions just because they are available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DenverD View Post
    On 01/28/2012 04:26 PM, pier andreit wrote:
    > I didn't know that for to have an upgraded application in the repos it
    > needs to open a bug, I will open a bug in novell..


    you miss the point entirely.

    openSUSE does not rotate in new versions just because they are available.
    I'm not asking a new version because it is just available, I'm asking a new version because the old version works bad.

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    Default Re: beclock new version

    On 2012-01-28 16:54, DenverD wrote:
    > On 01/28/2012 04:26 PM, pier andreit wrote:
    >> I didn't know that for to have an upgraded application in the repos it
    >> needs to open a bug, I will open a bug in novell..

    >
    > you miss the point entirely.
    >
    > openSUSE does not rotate in new versions just because they are available.


    That's entirely up to the repo maintainer. If it is an official repo, they
    are quite conservative. Other repos are not.

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    On 01/28/2012 11:03 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
    >> openSUSE does not rotate in new versions just because they are available.

    > That's entirely up to the repo maintainer. If it is an official repo, they
    > are quite conservative. Other repos are not.


    you are correct Carlos, what i meant to say was:

    the oss and non-oss repos never change and openSUSE does not rotate new
    versions of applications into the update repo just because a new version
    was released somewhere..

    and, new application don't spring up in Tumbleweed until after they have
    been added to and satisfactorily tested in Factory..

    however, openSUSE users are free to compile and install whatever they
    want at anytime..

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    Default Re: beclock new version

    On 2012-01-28 23:17, DenverD wrote:

    > the oss and non-oss repos never change and openSUSE does not rotate new
    > versions of applications into the update repo just because a new version
    > was released somewhere..
    >
    > and, new application don't spring up in Tumbleweed until after they have
    > been added to and satisfactorily tested in Factory..


    All correct :-)

    > however, openSUSE users are free to compile and install whatever they want
    > at anytime..


    Yep, we are. But there are so many repos that now I'm lazy and don't build
    anything. ;-)

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