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    Default Gnome 3 : how to get back to 2.X

    hi

    The "fallback" procedure only brings back 20% of the 90% productivity I've lost when I stupidly upgraded OS 11.4 to 12.1, getting that Gnome 3 instead of the fine working Gnome 2.X. They are lots of tricks spread around the web to try to get back a real WORKstation, but none is satisfactory.

    I don't want KDE (I have dual boot with XP so have already the original), I just want my Gnome 2.X back.

    Even Linus Torvalds says all the bad he thinks of Gnome 3
    Linus Torvalds dubs GNOME 3 'unholy mess' • The Register

    So is there any decent way to totally get that hipe-stuff away, and install a fine running Gnome 2.X instead on OpenSuse 12.1 ?

    Even microsoft offered users to get back to XP when he launched his catastrophic Vista, so for once that MS shows a good example, why our developpers can't follow it?

    thanks

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    Default Re: Gnome 3 : how to get back to 2.X

    On 2012-01-10 15:36, doggy4nix wrote:

    > Even Linus Torvalds says all the bad he thinks of Gnome 3
    > 'Linus Torvalds dubs GNOME 3 'unholy mess' • The Register'
    > (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08...s_gnome_three/)


    Interesting!


    > So is there any decent way to totally get that hipe-stuff away, and
    > install a fine running Gnome 2.X instead on OpenSuse 12.1 ?


    Not that I know. I hope somebody successfully forks gnome 3 soon.

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    Default Re: Gnome 3 : how to get back to 2.X

    Quote Originally Posted by doggy4nix
    hi

    The "fallback" procedure only brings back 20% of the 90% productivity
    I've lost when I stupidly upgraded OS 11.4 to 12.1, getting that Gnome 3
    instead of the fine working Gnome 2.X. They are lots of tricks spread
    around the web to try to get back a real WORKstation, but none is
    satisfactory.

    I don't want KDE (I have dual boot with XP so have already the
    original), I just want my Gnome 2.X back.

    Even Linus Torvalds says all the bad he thinks of Gnome 3
    'Linus Torvalds dubs GNOME 3 'unholy mess' • The Register'
    (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08...s_gnome_three/)

    So is there any decent way to totally get that hipe-stuff away, and
    install a fine running Gnome 2.X instead on OpenSuse 12.1 ?

    Even microsoft offered users to get back to XP when he launched his
    catastrophic Vista, so for once that MS shows a good example, why our
    developpers can't follow it?

    thanks

    Hi
    I think there are a couple of packagers working on MATE for 12.1

    You could look at SLED 11 it's still running 2.X

    So what is not working for you in GNOME 3.X there are numerous
    extensions for GNOME 3.X at https://extensions.gnome.org which add bits
    and pieces back in (up to ten pages worth and growing).

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    Default Re: Gnome 3 : how to get back to 2.X

    On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 14:53:06 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:

    > On 2012-01-10 15:36, doggy4nix wrote:
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    >> Even Linus Torvalds says all the bad he thinks of Gnome 3 'Linus
    >> Torvalds dubs GNOME 3 'unholy mess' • The Register'
    >> (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08...s_gnome_three/)

    >
    > Interesting!


    Not really. While Linus is the granddaddy of Linux, he's entitled to an
    opinion about the DEs just like anyone else, and with him (as with anyone
    else) it's a matter of personal preference.

    >> So is there any decent way to totally get that hipe-stuff away, and
    >> install a fine running Gnome 2.X instead on OpenSuse 12.1 ?

    >
    > Not that I know. I hope somebody successfully forks gnome 3 soon.


    The best one can do that I'm aware of is to force fallback mode.

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    Default Re: Gnome 3 : how to get back to 2.X

    AFAIK it is possible to replace GNOME3 with G2 using 11.4 gnome repository (somebody managed to do it).
    But you will also lose all subsequent gnome updates, as GTK2 based apps are no longer developed.
    And sooner or later you may get into trouble maintaining such unsupported system.

    It would be better idea to switch to xfce (just like I did) and use all gnome3 apps with XFCE desktop.

    Still, I'm planning to skip 12.1 and upgrade 11.4 to 12.2. Because 12.1 doesn't work well for me.
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    Default Re: Gnome 3 : how to get back to 2.X

    On 2012-01-10 19:52, Jim Henderson wrote:
    > On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 14:53:06 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:



    >> Interesting!

    >
    > Not really. While Linus is the granddaddy of Linux, he's entitled to an
    > opinion about the DEs just like anyone else, and with him (as with anyone
    > else) it's a matter of personal preference.


    Nevertheless, his opinion carries as much weight as hundreds of our single
    opinions. You can say otherwise if you happen to not agree with him on
    something, but it is so >:-)

    >> Not that I know. I hope somebody successfully forks gnome 3 soon.

    >
    > The best one can do that I'm aware of is to force fallback mode.


    It is not as powerful. There are missing features and bugs, and bugzillas
    are ignored.

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    Default Re: Gnome 3 : how to get back to 2.X

    On 2012-01-10 21:36, sobrus wrote:
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    > AFAIK it is possible to replace GNOME3 with G2 using 11.4 gnome
    > repository (somebody managed to do it).


    I prefer to stay with 11.4

    > But you will also lose all subsequent gnome updates, as GTK2 based apps
    > are no longer developed.


    Yep.

    > Still, I'm planning to skip 12.1 and upgrade 11.4 to 12.2. Because 12.1
    > doesn't work well for me.


    Me too.

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    Default Re: Gnome 3 : how to get back to 2.X

    This my be heresy in this forum, but anyway my principle is that people should use what suits them: Some people use Mint because it provides both shell extensions to G3 to make it feel like G2, and also Mate, a fork of G2. Not a G user so no first hand experience.

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    Default Re: Gnome 3 : how to get back to 2.X

    On 2012-01-10 17:25, malcolmlewis wrote:

    > Hi
    > I think there are a couple of packagers working on MATE for 12.1


    I got this reply when I suggested MATE:

    +++···················
    The description of MATE (from their own readme) makes me laugh....

    "MATE Desktop Environment, a non-intuitive and unattractive desktop
    for users, using traditional computing desktop metaphor."

    MATE is not Gnome2... so my comment still stands :-) Gnome2 is museum
    fodder now.

    I hope that MATE is a successful project.
    ···················++-

    non-intuitive and unattractive? Huh?




    > You could look at SLED 11 it's still running 2.X


    Expensive.


    > So what is not working for you in GNOME 3.X there are numerous
    > extensions for GNOME 3.X at https://extensions.gnome.org which add bits
    > and pieces back in (up to ten pages worth and growing).


    I still do not know what extensions are :-)

    And whatever they are, I don't think they can be used to replace activities
    with a decent menu. Or have a panel. Or a workspace switcher.

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    Default Re: Gnome 3 : how to get back to 2.X

    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos E. R.
    On 2012-01-10 17:25, malcolmlewis wrote:

    > Hi
    > I think there are a couple of packagers working on MATE for 12.1


    I got this reply when I suggested MATE:

    +++···················
    The description of MATE (from their own readme) makes me laugh....

    "MATE Desktop Environment, a non-intuitive and unattractive desktop
    for users, using traditional computing desktop metaphor."

    MATE is not Gnome2... so my comment still stands :-) Gnome2 is museum
    fodder now.

    I hope that MATE is a successful project.
    ···················++-

    non-intuitive and unattractive? Huh?




    > You could look at SLED 11 it's still running 2.X


    Expensive.


    > So what is not working for you in GNOME 3.X there are numerous
    > extensions for GNOME 3.X at https://extensions.gnome.org which add
    > bits and pieces back in (up to ten pages worth and growing).


    I still do not know what extensions are :-)

    And whatever they are, I don't think they can be used to replace
    activities with a decent menu. Or have a panel. Or a workspace
    switcher.
    Hi
    If you take a basic SLED subscription over three years, it's just over
    US$30 per year..not bad.

    Ahh you are so wrong all three are there.

    I have a workspace switch in GNOME 3, you need to browse
    https://extensions.gnome.org then and have a look at what's available,
    there are menu options (Including the MINT one). There is a lower panel
    as well (with workspace switching), you can hide the top panel, add
    applets...since last week another page has been added (up to 10 now)
    and growing.

    Extensions are just like Firefox Add-ons. Just a click on the
    link and switch the button on to install, also on the web page is a
    page that will show the extensions on your system as well, to
    enable/disable rather than have to use the gnome-tweak-tool.

    I think you would be surprised how much has changed since the 3.0
    release....

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