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    Quote Originally Posted by hendersj View Post
    I remember when Win95 and Win2K came out, and some (many, even) people
    resisted those changes as well for a period - because they were
    comfortable with using Program Manager (for example).
    LOL. Windows up to Windows XP included Program Manager. And Windows 95 allowed to choose at installation, which shell to use, Windows Explorer or Program Manager.

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    Default Re: Gnome 3 : how to get back to 2.X

    On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 22:46:02 +0000, Ansus wrote:

    > hendersj;2429693 Wrote:
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    >> I remember when Win95 and Win2K came out, and some (many, even) people
    >> resisted those changes as well for a period - because they were
    >> comfortable with using Program Manager (for example).
    >>

    > LOL. Windows up to Windows XP included Program Manager. And Windows 95
    > allowed to choose at installation, which shell to use, Windows Explorer
    > or Program Manager.


    Yes, but of course lots of people either didn't install Win95/XP
    themselves or weren't aware that it was an option.

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    Default Re: Gnome 3 : how to get back to 2.X

    Give KDE 4 a try!

    I am a long time Gnome2/Compiz user first on RedHat/CentOS and then on Ubuntu. I became extremely disappointed after test driving both Gnome 3 and Unity for their lack of customization capabilities especially regarding the panels, etc. So, last year I switched to KDE4 on OpenSUSE and, in contrast to Gnome3 and Unity, I am delighted in the KDE4 desktop environment after years of using Gnome 2. KDE went through their growing pains too when they migrated from KDE3 to KDE4. However, it appears that pain is over with. I am able to completely reproduce my Gnome2/Compiz desktop environment with KDE4 including the icons, panels, workspace switching, the cube, wobbly windows, transparency, etc. etc. I recommend that Gnome2/Compiz fans that are disenchanted by Gnome3 and/or Unity take a test drive with KDE4. Its a little bit more complicated to customize but you can reproduce your Gnome2/Compiz experience almost entirely.

    Just my 2 cents.

    Gordon

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    Default Re: Gnome 3 : how to get back to 2.X

    On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 15:56:02 +0000, gldickens3 wrote:

    > for their lack of customization capabilities especially regarding the
    > panels,


    Actually, *if* you code Javascript, the customization is quite extensible
    - because essentially if you can code it in Javascript, you can customize
    the interface.

    So I think it would be appropriate rather than saying it's "not
    customizable" or "lacks customization" that it be pointed out more
    clearly that for non-programmers, this is a non-trivial task.

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    Default Re: Gnome 3 : how to get back to 2.X

    On 2012-01-13 22:06, oboedad55 wrote:
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    > 'openSUSE:GNOME Cinnamon - openSUSE'
    > (http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:GNOME_Cinnamon)


    Looks nice.

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    Default Re: Gnome 3 : how to get back to 2.X

    Quote Originally Posted by robin_listas View Post
    On 2012-01-13 22:06, oboedad55 wrote:
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    > 'openSUSE:GNOME Cinnamon - openSUSE'
    > (openSUSE:GNOME Cinnamon - openSUSE)


    Looks nice.

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    I fully appreciate why openSuSE exists. It is a beta project for the regular SuSE Enterprise-grade products (SLED & SLES). We are fortunate as consumers to be able to have the opportunity to take advantage of the fine work that is done on our behalf by the folks at Novell & SuSE and the extended community. Work that seems to be of a higher caliber than found in enthusiast distributions such as Fedora and Ubuntu. The ultimate focus of producing a salable and trouble-free product for organizations who want less drama from their OS's is something we can all appreciate.

    Having said that there have been in the past deferences to the extended beta population that understood that not all of that population is at a level where they can program their own work-a-rounds. Case in point: the choices allowed when KDE 4 came out to instead use the more seasoned KDE 3 environment instead until KDE 4 was really ready for prime time.

    After extensive work with both openSuSE/Gnome since 10.0 and more recently with 11.3, 11.4 and 12.1 this relative novice struggled with all of them. However I have to report that the 11.3 distribution was the least problematic and wish it could be extended into LTS. Gnome 3.2 has a long hard road ahead of it before it can attain the polish that Gnome 2.3 presently has. Too much functionality we have come to expect and enjoy in Gnome is either missing or much less assessable. With the goal of extending Linux to the masses (90% of which are technology phobic) the KISS method (Keep It Simple Stupid), but not too stupid, should be the goal.

    In conclusion I recommend (from the novice viewpoint) the following:
    (1) Repackage 12.1 to include the latest version of Gnome 2, I think it is at version 2.32 presently, just like what was done with KDE.
    (2) Only stop choice when Gnome 3 has equivalent functionality and accessibly as the fully honed Gnome 2.
    (3) Consider moving openSuSE 11.3 to a more long term support stance, even if there is a modest cost involved. It is the best single distribution ever produced, in my opinion.

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    Default Re: Gnome 3 : how to get back to 2.X

    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschwihr
    I fully appreciate why openSuSE exists. It is a beta project for the
    regular SuSE Enterprise-grade products (SLED & SLES). We are fortunate
    as consumers to be able to have the opportunity to take advantage of the
    fine work that is done on our behalf by the folks at Novell & SuSE and
    the extended community. Work that seems to be of a higher caliber than
    found in enthusiast distributions such as Fedora and Ubuntu. The
    ultimate focus of producing a salable and trouble-free product for
    organizations who want less drama from their OS's is something we can
    all appreciate.

    Having said that there have been in the past deferences to the extended
    beta population that understood that not all of that population is at a
    level where they can program their own work-a-rounds. Case in point: the
    choices allowed when KDE 4 came out to instead use the more seasoned KDE
    3 environment instead until KDE 4 was really ready for prime time.

    After extensive work with both openSuSE/Gnome since 10.0 and more
    recently with 11.3, 11.4 and 12.1 this relative novice struggled with
    all of them. However I have to report that the 11.3 distribution was the
    least problematic and wish it could be extended into LTS. Gnome 3.2 has
    a long hard road ahead of it before it can attain the polish that Gnome
    2.3 presently has. Too much functionality we have come to expect and
    enjoy in Gnome is either missing or much less assessable. With the goal
    of extending Linux to the masses (90% of which are technology phobic)
    the KISS method (Keep It Simple Stupid), but not too stupid, should be
    the goal.

    In conclusion I recommend (from the novice viewpoint) the following:
    (1) Repackage 12.1 to include the latest version of Gnome 2, I think
    it is at version 2.32 presently, just like what was done with KDE.
    (2) Only stop choice when Gnome 3 has equivalent functionality and
    accessibly as the fully honed Gnome 2.
    (3) Consider moving openSuSE 11.3 to a more long term support
    stance, even if there is a modest cost involved. It is the best single
    distribution ever produced, in my opinion.

    Hi
    Did you try fallback mode in GNOME 3.0?

    When 10.1 came out I switched to SLED 10.... never looked back and now
    use both SLED and openSUSE 12.1.

    I personally found 11.4 to be the best 2.x release, then ran GNOME 3.x
    on it to get my head around the changes in the DE, having an ASUS
    Transformer tablet now, I can understand the concept changes, but will
    be interesting to try out the openSUSE ARM release on it once that gets
    up and running proper (support for the Tegra2).

    It's funny in that with Compiz running I use to turn off the top corner
    hotspot to show the desktop (activities), now I had to turn it on
    because I am so use to it in Gnome 3.x

    There are lots of other DE's to try LXDE, XFCE ( I even have blackbox
    in my home repository on OBS).

    SLED is still running 2.28.x and I doubt that will change in the near
    future, you can always try that out, it's a free download.....

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    Default Re: Gnome 3 : how to get back to 2.X

    On 02/21/2012 03:36 PM, Rorschwihr wrote:
    > In conclusion I recommend (from the novice viewpoint) the following:


    two things:

    1. this is a forum where people who need help ask for it--i can't see
    where you had a question

    2. this is a forum of users (like yourself) trying to help other
    users...and, by and large the developers almost never come here...when
    they do, it is not to pick up good ideas, or see what we think needs to
    be done or fixed...

    so, you are in the wrong place to have any of impact you wish...

    there are several places you can directly interact with those folks who
    _do_ have daily influence on the direction openSUSE is going, one of
    those is where desired features are collected, at
    https://features.opensuse.org/

    it seems that Malcolm tried to answer a non-question in your post....i'd
    suggest if you wish technical help you begin your own thread, in the
    correct forum and with a subject line which highlights your problem.....

    folks here are generally very helpful with the things we can help with
    (changing course and repackaging 12.1 or moving 11.3 to Evergreen is not
    something we can influence any more than you.)

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