The “fallback” procedure only brings back 20% of the 90% productivity I’ve lost when I stupidly upgraded OS 11.4 to 12.1, getting that Gnome 3 instead of the fine working Gnome 2.X. They are lots of tricks spread around the web to try to get back a real WORKstation, but none is satisfactory.
I don’t want KDE (I have dual boot with XP so have already the original), I just want my Gnome 2.X back.
So is there any decent way to totally get that hipe-stuff away, and install a fine running Gnome 2.X instead on OpenSuse 12.1 ?
Even microsoft offered users to get back to XP when he launched his catastrophic Vista, so for once that MS shows a good example, why our developpers can’t follow it?
Hi
I think there are a couple of packagers working on MATE for 12.1
You could look at SLED 11 it’s still running 2.X
So what is not working for you in GNOME 3.X there are numerous
extensions for GNOME 3.X at https://extensions.gnome.org which add bits
and pieces back in (up to ten pages worth and growing).
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Cheers Malcolm °¿° (Linux Counter #276890)
openSUSE 12.1 (x86_64) Kernel 3.1.0-1.2-desktop
up 1 day 3:40, 3 users, load average: 0.08, 0.03, 0.05
CPU Intel i5 CPU M520@2.40GHz | Intel Arrandale GPU
Not really. While Linus is the granddaddy of Linux, he’s entitled to an
opinion about the DEs just like anyone else, and with him (as with anyone
else) it’s a matter of personal preference.
>> So is there any decent way to totally get that hipe-stuff away, and
>> install a fine running Gnome 2.X instead on OpenSuse 12.1 ?
>
> Not that I know. I hope somebody successfully forks gnome 3 soon.
The best one can do that I’m aware of is to force fallback mode.
AFAIK it is possible to replace GNOME3 with G2 using 11.4 gnome repository (somebody managed to do it).
But you will also lose all subsequent gnome updates, as GTK2 based apps are no longer developed.
And sooner or later you may get into trouble maintaining such unsupported system.
It would be better idea to switch to xfce (just like I did) and use all gnome3 apps with XFCE desktop.
Still, I’m planning to skip 12.1 and upgrade 11.4 to 12.2. Because 12.1 doesn’t work well for me.
On 2012-01-10 19:52, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 14:53:06 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> Interesting!
>
> Not really. While Linus is the granddaddy of Linux, he’s entitled to an
> opinion about the DEs just like anyone else, and with him (as with anyone
> else) it’s a matter of personal preference.
Nevertheless, his opinion carries as much weight as hundreds of our single
opinions. You can say otherwise if you happen to not agree with him on
something, but it is so >:-)
>> Not that I know. I hope somebody successfully forks gnome 3 soon.
>
> The best one can do that I’m aware of is to force fallback mode.
It is not as powerful. There are missing features and bugs, and bugzillas
are ignored.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)
This my be heresy in this forum, but anyway my principle is that people should use what suits them: Some people use Mint because it provides both shell extensions to G3 to make it feel like G2, and also Mate, a fork of G2. Not a G user so no first hand experience.
> Hi
> I think there are a couple of packagers working on MATE for 12.1
I got this reply when I suggested MATE:
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The description of MATE (from their own readme) makes me laugh…
“MATE Desktop Environment, a non-intuitive and unattractive desktop
for users, using traditional computing desktop metaphor.”
MATE is not Gnome2… so my comment still stands Gnome2 is museum
fodder now.
I hope that MATE is a successful project.
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non-intuitive and unattractive? Huh?
> You could look at SLED 11 it’s still running 2.X
Expensive.
> So what is not working for you in GNOME 3.X there are numerous
> extensions for GNOME 3.X at https://extensions.gnome.org which add bits
> and pieces back in (up to ten pages worth and growing).
I still do not know what extensions are
And whatever they are, I don’t think they can be used to replace activities
with a decent menu. Or have a panel. Or a workspace switcher.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)
Hi
If you take a basic SLED subscription over three years, it’s just over
US$30 per year…not bad.
Ahh you are so wrong all three are there.
I have a workspace switch in GNOME 3, you need to browse https://extensions.gnome.org then and have a look at what’s available,
there are menu options (Including the MINT one). There is a lower panel
as well (with workspace switching), you can hide the top panel, add
applets…since last week another page has been added (up to 10 now)
and growing.
Extensions are just like Firefox Add-ons. Just a click on the
link and switch the button on to install, also on the web page is a
page that will show the extensions on your system as well, to
enable/disable rather than have to use the gnome-tweak-tool.
I think you would be surprised how much has changed since the 3.0
release…
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Cheers Malcolm °¿° (Linux Counter #276890)
openSUSE 12.1 (x86_64) Kernel 3.1.0-1.2-desktop
up 1 day 14:02, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.05
CPU Intel i5 CPU M520@2.40GHz | Intel Arrandale GPU
On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 01:43:06 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> Nevertheless, his opinion carries as much weight as hundreds of our
> single opinions. You can say otherwise if you happen to not agree with
> him on something, but it is so >:-)
Only to those who grant him that kind of weight on things not related to
the Linux kernel. I have a lot of respect for Linus, but his preferences
of desktop have no bearing on mine, because he and I work in different
ways.
>>> Not that I know. I hope somebody successfully forks gnome 3 soon.
>>
>> The best one can do that I’m aware of is to force fallback mode.
>
> It is not as powerful. There are missing features and bugs, and
> bugzillas are ignored.
I didn’t say it was as powerful (however, I also did not say it was,
either). I said that it’s the best one can do at this stage.
On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 02:03:06 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> So what is not working for you in GNOME 3.X there are numerous
>> extensions for GNOME 3.X at https://extensions.gnome.org which add bits
>> and pieces back in (up to ten pages worth and growing).
>
> I still do not know what extensions are
Pieces of code (mostly written in Javascript) that extend the
functionality of GNOME 3.
> And whatever they are, I don’t think they can be used to replace
> activities with a decent menu. Or have a panel. Or a workspace switcher.
They’re what Mint uses to provide a more GNOME-2 like experience.
Hi
I only use six now, workspace switcher, noa11y, themes, alt status
(adds the power, but i disable it), battery % indicator and auto move
windows so when i start an application it goes to a specific workspace.
I normally have 5 desktops running.
I just use SLED if I want 2.X <shrug>
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Cheers Malcolm °¿° (Linux Counter #276890)
openSUSE 12.1 (x86_64) Kernel 3.1.0-1.2-desktop
up 1 day 17:49, 3 users, load average: 0.10, 0.08, 0.05
CPU Intel i5 CPU M520@2.40GHz | Intel Arrandale GPU
I wonder if Mate is an dead end, as it uses deprecated technology. But maybe I am wrong.
I think it should be rewritten using GTK3 and cooperate with existing GNOME3 apps.
Cinnamon seems much more interesting, as it uses new codebase to deliver old user experience. It just “replaces” gnome shell.
GNOME developers are “fighting” for market share on small cheap laptops,nettops and tablets. With small requirements, no price to pay and simplified interface for small screens it can be installed by OEMs instead of Ubuntu Unity or Windows 8.
But it doesn’t work for me at all. I feel like using computer with my hands tied (and it doesn’t work properly with Radeon).
Try xfce, it’s not bad. Very nice and fast experience with compiz enabled, and it can be used with all gnome apps (there is no need to install lightweight xfce equivalents!).
They will release 4.10 somewhere in March - and I hope it will be inculded in 12.2.
Hi
I only use six now, workspace switcher, noa11y, themes, alt status
(adds the power, but i disable it), battery % indicator and auto move
windows so when i start an application it goes to a specific workspace.
I normally have 5 desktops running.
I just use SLED if I want 2.X <shrug>
I hear you
Doesn’t change the fact that there is a massive call for Gnome 2. It’s pretty much the same in every distro that has shifted to G3
Earlier in the move I though we were seeing a similar reaction as was with kde3 > kde4
But now, I think this is different. It’s runs deeper into the loss of functionality/stability than was ever the case with kde
I still can’t believe how gnome developers could be so reckless and did it to the whole linux community (which consist mostly of experienced users).
Gnome Shell is OK, but it should be optional.
Now every single gnome distro has a big problem.
I hope Microsoft won’t make similar mistake with Windows 8.
>> > It is not as powerful. There are missing features and bugs, and
>> > bugzillas are ignored.
> I didn’t say it was as powerful (however, I also did not say it was,
> either). I said that it’s the best one can do at this stage.
Yes, but not enough. The G3 fallback mode has less that plain G2.
And, don’t you see some form of hypocrisy in that we need to used closed
source drivers in order to use Gnome now? There are developers in the Suse
paycheck that say those drivers are illegal (against the kernel). So much
so that they can not be distributed by Suse and have to be distributed
directly by Nvidia in their own servers, so that blame if it goes to court
fall on them.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)
On 2012-01-11 02:56, ken yap wrote:
>
> This my be heresy in this forum, but anyway my principle is that people
> should use what suits them: Some people use Mint because it provides
> both shell extensions to G3 to make it feel like G2, and also Mate, a
> fork of G2. Not a G user so no first hand experience.
I am a happy SuSE user, and gnome user, since 1978. Having to abandon Gnome
or openSUSE is defeat.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)
Gnome2 is museum
