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    Default Re: Gnome 3 : how to get back to 2.X

    On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 01:43:06 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:

    > Nevertheless, his opinion carries as much weight as hundreds of our
    > single opinions. You can say otherwise if you happen to not agree with
    > him on something, but it is so >:-)


    Only to those who grant him that kind of weight on things not related to
    the Linux kernel. I have a lot of respect for Linus, but his preferences
    of desktop have no bearing on mine, because he and I work in different
    ways.

    >>> Not that I know. I hope somebody successfully forks gnome 3 soon.

    >>
    >> The best one can do that I'm aware of is to force fallback mode.

    >
    > It is not as powerful. There are missing features and bugs, and
    > bugzillas are ignored.


    I didn't say it was as powerful (however, I also did not say it was,
    either). I said that it's the best one can do at this stage.

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    Default Re: Gnome 3 : how to get back to 2.X

    On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 02:03:06 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:

    >> So what is not working for you in GNOME 3.X there are numerous
    >> extensions for GNOME 3.X at https://extensions.gnome.org which add bits
    >> and pieces back in (up to ten pages worth and growing).

    >
    > I still do not know what extensions are :-)


    Pieces of code (mostly written in Javascript) that extend the
    functionality of GNOME 3.

    > And whatever they are, I don't think they can be used to replace
    > activities with a decent menu. Or have a panel. Or a workspace switcher.


    They're what Mint uses to provide a more GNOME-2 like experience.

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    Default Re: Gnome 3 : how to get back to 2.X

    It seems crazy that Gnome3 is making all these extensions and such as MATE and Cinnamon - all to make it more like Gnome2

    It doesn't take a genius to work out what folks want
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    Default Re: Gnome 3 : how to get back to 2.X

    Quote Originally Posted by caf4926
    It seems crazy that Gnome3 is making all these extensions and such as
    MATE and Cinnamon - all to make it more like Gnome2

    It doesn't take a genius to work out what folks want

    Hi
    I only use six now, workspace switcher, noa11y, themes, alt status
    (adds the power, but i disable it), battery % indicator and auto move
    windows so when i start an application it goes to a specific workspace.
    I normally have 5 desktops running.

    I just use SLED if I want 2.X <shrug>

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    Default Re: Gnome 3 : how to get back to 2.X

    I wonder if Mate is an dead end, as it uses deprecated technology. But maybe I am wrong.
    I think it should be rewritten using GTK3 and cooperate with existing GNOME3 apps.
    Cinnamon seems much more interesting, as it uses new codebase to deliver old user experience. It just "replaces" gnome shell.

    GNOME developers are "fighting" for market share on small cheap laptops,nettops and tablets. With small requirements, no price to pay and simplified interface for small screens it can be installed by OEMs instead of Ubuntu Unity or Windows 8.
    But it doesn't work for me at all. I feel like using computer with my hands tied (and it doesn't work properly with Radeon).

    Try xfce, it's not bad. Very nice and fast experience with compiz enabled, and it can be used with all gnome apps (there is no need to install lightweight xfce equivalents!).
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    Default Re: Gnome 3 : how to get back to 2.X

    Quote Originally Posted by caf4926 View Post
    It seems crazy that Gnome3 is making all these extensions and such as MATE and Cinnamon - all to make it more like Gnome2

    It doesn't take a genius to work out what folks want
    Hi
    I only use six now, workspace switcher, noa11y, themes, alt status
    (adds the power, but i disable it), battery % indicator and auto move
    windows so when i start an application it goes to a specific workspace.
    I normally have 5 desktops running.

    I just use SLED if I want 2.X <shrug>
    I hear you
    Doesn't change the fact that there is a massive call for Gnome 2. It's pretty much the same in every distro that has shifted to G3
    Earlier in the move I though we were seeing a similar reaction as was with kde3 > kde4
    But now, I think this is different. It's runs deeper into the loss of functionality/stability than was ever the case with kde
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    Default Re: Gnome 3 : how to get back to 2.X

    I still can't believe how gnome developers could be so reckless and did it to the whole linux community (which consist mostly of experienced users).
    Gnome Shell is OK, but it should be optional.
    Now every single gnome distro has a big problem.

    I hope Microsoft won't make similar mistake with Windows 8.
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    Default Re: Gnome 3 : how to get back to 2.X

    On 2012-01-11 06:56, Jim Henderson wrote:

    >> > It is not as powerful. There are missing features and bugs, and
    >> > bugzillas are ignored.

    > I didn't say it was as powerful (however, I also did not say it was,
    > either). I said that it's the best one can do at this stage.


    Yes, but not enough. The G3 fallback mode has less that plain G2.


    And, don't you see some form of hypocrisy in that we need to used closed
    source drivers in order to use Gnome now? There are developers in the Suse
    paycheck that say those drivers are illegal (against the kernel). So much
    so that they can not be distributed by Suse and have to be distributed
    directly by Nvidia in their own servers, so that blame if it goes to court
    fall on them.

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    Default Re: Gnome 3 : how to get back to 2.X

    On 2012-01-11 02:56, ken yap wrote:
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    > This my be heresy in this forum, but anyway my principle is that people
    > should use what suits them: Some people use Mint because it provides
    > both shell extensions to G3 to make it feel like G2, and also Mate, a
    > fork of G2. Not a G user so no first hand experience.


    I am a happy SuSE user, and gnome user, since 1978. Having to abandon Gnome
    or openSUSE is defeat.

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    Default Re: Gnome 3 : how to get back to 2.X

    On 2012-01-11 07:56, sobrus wrote:
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    > I wonder if Mate is an dead end, as it uses deprecated technology. But
    > maybe I am wrong.
    > I think it should be rewritten using GTK3 and cooperate with existing
    > GNOME3 apps.
    > Cinnamon seems much more interesting, as it uses new codebase to
    > deliver old user experience. It just "replaces" gnome shell.


    Yes, I think the same.

    > GNOME developers are "fighting" for market share on small cheap
    > laptops,nettops and tablets. With small requirements, no price to pay
    > and simplified interface for small screens it can be installed by OEMs
    > instead of Ubuntu Unity or Windows 8.
    > But it doesn't work for me at all. I feel like using computer with my
    > hands tied (and it doesn't work properly with Radeon).


    In my laptop with a touchpad I find I have to use the mouse a lot more.


    > Try xfce, it's not bad. Very nice and fast experience with compiz
    > enabled, and it can be used with all gnome apps (there is no need to
    > install lightweight xfce equivalents!).


    I will have to.

    > They will release 4.10 somewhere in March - and I hope it will be
    > inculded in 12.2.


    I suppose so.

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