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    In another soapbox thread, it was said that there is only a German boxed set. Not so:

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    Default Re: international edition of boxed set

    Quote Originally Posted by ken_yap View Post
    In another soapbox thread, it was said that there is only a German boxed set. Not so:

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    I do not think that is a pure openSUSE-12.1, but rather I think it is a fork or a derivative ...

    That is Balsam open-slx - Welcome which is the fork.


    There is a German openSUSE version that is NOT Balsam : openSUSE 12.1 mit Abo-Service erschienen bei Open Source Press

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    Default Re: international edition of boxed set

    Well one thing: they refer to the openSUSE wiki, forums etc. So no forked forums AFAICS. Still I think this is a bad thing. If buying, I'm buying openSUSE, not Balsam.
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    Default Re: international edition of boxed set

    Quote Originally Posted by Knurpht
    Well one thing: they refer to the openSUSE wiki, forums etc. So no
    forked forums AFAICS. Still I think this is a bad thing. If buying, I'm
    buying openSUSE, not Balsam.

    They have their own support forums etc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldcpu View Post
    I do not think that is a pure openSUSE-12.1, but rather I think it is a fork or a derivative ...

    That is Balsam open-slx - Welcome which is the fork.


    There is a German openSUSE version that is NOT Balsam : openSUSE 12.1 mit Abo-Service erschienen bei Open Source Press
    Well, swerdna said there was no non-German boxed set. No stipulation about derivatives or whatever. This is not so. It only remains for someone to do the same as edv-buchversand.de but in English. The main thing is to print an English manual off the doco on the DVD.

    I think it's only a matter of time before someone provides the manual in e-reader friendly format, and then we wouldn't have to use so many trees.

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    On 01/04/2012 11:35 PM, malcolmlewis wrote:
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    > They have their own support forums etc...


    really??

    on http://www.open-slx.com/en/?Community i see "openSUSE Forums"

    will Balsam be another fork/variant like Evergreen, Tumbleweed,
    Education, or Medical which may at any time be presented in any forum
    here as "the latest suse" by those who don't actually know what they
    have _is_ different??

    amazing that 'they' are so adverse to coming here that they can't even
    have the good manners to ASK if we would like to help them *sell* their
    Balsam, by providing support!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DenverD
    On 01/04/2012 11:35 PM, malcolmlewis wrote:
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    > They have their own support forums etc...


    really??

    on http://www.open-slx.com/en/?Community i see "openSUSE Forums"

    will Balsam be another fork/variant like Evergreen, Tumbleweed,
    Education, or Medical which may at any time be presented in any forum
    here as "the latest suse" by those who don't actually know what they
    have _is_ different??

    amazing that 'they' are so adverse to coming here that they can't even
    have the good manners to ASK if we would like to help them *sell* their
    Balsam, by providing support!
    Interesting indeed...

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    Default Re: international edition of boxed set

    On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 00:12:59 +0000, malcolmlewis wrote:

    > Interesting indeed...


    Yes, I found their German forums from the front page of the website.

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    Default Re: international edition of boxed set

    Quote Originally Posted by oldcpu View Post
    I do not think that is a pure openSUSE-12.1, but rather I think it is a fork or a derivative ...

    That is Balsam open-slx - Welcome which is the fork.


    There is a German openSUSE version that is NOT Balsam : openSUSE 12.1 mit Abo-Service erschienen bei Open Source Press
    So why are you forcing this negative stuff and why should Balsam Professional be a fork of openSUSE? It is just negative statements without any proof!

    open-slx is producing the "traditional openSUSE Box product" since november 2009. We were asked to continue the box product because at this time Novell stopped producing this product. So open-slx is producing it including professional installation support. As fas as I know no other Box including support is manufactured by anybody else since today.

    We renamed the _our_ product to Balsam Professional because we are including Plasma Active the new touch UX für Tablets and Touchscreens. Because of the very strick branding guidlines we must change the name of the product. This implies a change of the branding because of the artwork stuff. That are basicly the changes to openSUSE 11.4 Box. You can download the image from our download side and check this.

    Currently open-slx is producing the only "openSUSE Box" including professional installation support. This is true for german and for the international english version. You all need to differentiate if a DVD is in a Box or if the Box is in the line with the old openSUSE Box. I know since 12.1 there is a "Box-looking" product, but it does not include professional installtion support. It includes something like every distri, including Balsam Professional has, that was ubuntu calls forum support. This means the box vendor is selling community effords. So this are basicly the facts and not the "politics".

    Beside of that we know a lot of discussion about who is allowed to use the name openSUSE even in press text, product text and other text with pointing to artwork stuff. All of this is almost wrong, because nobody can claim single words and we have freedom of press. Currently open-slx is deleting almost any openSUSE word if such questions arising. This has nothing to do with legal. We just think that it does not makes any sense to fight for because openSUSE is hurt so much itself.

    Regarding you fork statement: Ususall the project itself say that it is a fork. open Balsam Professional this comes out of some community members. So focussing on the characteristics what a fork would include:

    - the source code is forked, for example setting up a new git repositore. This was not done
    - official statement in the press that the new project is a fork. This was not done
    - splitting the community and part of the community is walking to the new project. This was not done.

    Just take a look what happens in the open office space. We have there several _real forks_.

    Regarding some negative statements about the "portal" hosted by open-slx. The project was created together with the former community manager Michael Löffler. All board members and openSUSE booster were informened. So open-slx walked forward with the goal to launch it in the openSUSE space. But when we were ready, the board and the boosters turned there opinion and want to stop this. So open-slx was forced to host it in our own domain. open-slx also spendet _a lot of money_ in the openSUSE Portal, especially in the german and the english portal space. But the admins only launche the english one. So the complete work was lost. There are more reasons, but this is history.

    Balsam Professiona as a product is fully based on openSUSE and it except the branding and the naming alsmost identically. So talking different in the community can only have two reasons. Just had never really looked what Balsam Professional is, - or playing political incorrect.

    Anyway, we don't tell people what they have to say and what not. It is just there meaning. But anybody has to take responsibility of what he is saying. And as a matter of a fact: A lot of places in the distric cometition are much nicer and fairer places as openSUSE is today. So it would be good to change this in the future.

    Hope this clears up most of your questions on this thread. Ask people in the community why they are talking negative without having facts.

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    On 2012-01-04 22:36, oldcpu wrote:
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    > ken_yap;2426496 Wrote:
    >> In another soapbox thread, it was said that there is only a German boxed
    >> set. Not so:
    >>
    >> 'open-slx - Welcome' (http://www.open-slx.com/en/)

    >
    > I do not think that is a pure openSUSE-12.1, but rather I think it is a
    > fork or a derivative ...


    Weird.

    I have several boxes from them, the last one for 11.3. I got them, as
    several other people, as complimentary presents for helping openSUSE (I'm a
    translator), so clearly there was a relation between SUSE/Novell and SLX.
    The box and DVD is (was) clearly labeled openSUSE. It contained paper
    books, double layer DVD, plus another one post-labeled "balsam extensions",
    which I have not looked at inside [...] Just had a look, I'm not clear what
    it is. Customizations perhaps. And it included installation support.

    There are posts in the forums from someone from SLX, Stefan Werden, the
    Managing Director. He was, IIRC, an -ex-SUSE employee, who saw an
    opportunity with continuing selling the box that Novell did not any longer.

    View this thread: http://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php?t=426342

    I see in his profile that he wrote a post today, but I don't know where.

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