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    Question 12.1: KDE -- starter buttons disappear after clicking

    Hello,

    I'm in the process of installing 12.1 for my nephew, on a new laptop (while I still
    have 11.4). I'm deeply disappointed about KDE --- it works even worse then with 11.4.
    But I have to install it today, and I don't know any other desktop (yet; KDE needs to
    be abolished, it is just a shame; a pity that Suse does not support Trinity), so
    I need to get it to work.
    KNetworkmanager has become now completely dysfunctional, as well as KWallet,
    but I got rid off them.

    But the destruction of virtual desktops seems fully on the way, and this is my question
    about, whether perhaps there is a switch which I overlooked (and I'm now trying
    for, say, 12h do get something reasonable out of KDE, to fix some minimum functionality
    which my nephew could actually use; yet it doesn't look as if I could succeed):
    The starters at least for core functions like "dolphin" etc. in the bottom part, perhaps the
    "panel" (or one of its various parts) are important for efficient working. This should
    be a triviality, but apparently it isn't. So now (different from 11.4 with KDE 4.6), when
    clicking now on the Dolphin (starter)-icon, a window opens AND THE ICON DISAPPEARS
    (of course the icons on the desktop themselves are useless, since you always needed to
    clear the desktop to access them).

    This is likely due to the windows-stupidity, which is so characteristic of KDE4, that thou
    shall not have open more than one window at a time (only garbage is allowed, that is, these
    "mini-programs"). However, "of course" I need to add cynically, they forgot in KDE that
    there are still virtual desktops, and so once you opened one dolphin window in one
    virtual desktops, you can't open any one anymore in any other virtual desktops (without
    going to the starter-menu --- which is only usable in itself in its "classical incarnation").

    The same of course for all other applications (I guess it counts as a crime to attempt to
    have more than one firefox-window open?).

    Has anybody figured out how to keep the starter-icons in the panel once you clicked on it
    (which is the case with KDE4.6 under Suse 11.4)?

    Thanks for your attention in advance.

    Oliver

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    Default Re: 12.1: KDE -- starter buttons disappear after clicking

    You should put back the network plasmoid and the kwallet

    The Firefox and Dolphin icons do not disappear. You can remove them and add back normal icons. And too you can add back the virtual desktop switcher.
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    Default Re: 12.1: KDE -- starter buttons disappear after clicking

    Now I've read your message a few times and I'm still not clear what your problem is and how anyone could help you, except that it's obvious that you've produced some unholy mess on that laptop. The way you write about it doesn't help as you tend to rant rather than describe what you've done and what the problem is. Here's a few pointers, hoping they'll get you to pause and think and maybe post something that will allow us to help you:

    1. You imply that you're familiar with 11.4/KDE4.6 but 12.1/KDE4.7 hasn't really changed in any significant respects that are relevant to your apparent problems. Panels and launchers/icons work the same way, as do virtual desktops etc.

    2. There is no problem with having multiple windows open in KDE, of course.

    3. Launcher icons on the panel, for Dolphin or anything else, do not disappear when clicked on.

    4. It is easy to have desktop icons and make KDE4 look like KDE3/Trinity.

    All these issue are trivial to resolve but only if you describe what you've done, what happens, and cut out the silly rants.
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    Default Re: 12.1: KDE -- starter buttons disappear after clicking

    3. Launcher icons on the panel, for Dolphin or anything else, do not disappear when clicked on.

    They do. Why do you think they don't? Is there a specification?

    Now how can we communicate about this behaviour of the desktop?
    Obviously the easiest possibility, just looking, is not given.
    Is there an application which can easily make a video from the desktop?
    A single desktop photo is likely not enough for this form of communication.

    Oliver

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    Default Re: 12.1: KDE -- starter buttons disappear after clicking

    Let me explain
    The two icons are part of the task manager

    Let me experiment and report back, before I tell you to do something I didn't try myself
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    Default Re: 12.1: KDE -- starter buttons disappear after clicking

    OK
    Unlock the widgets
    Open up the panel with the panel cashew
    Right click the tasks manager area and delete it.

    (All your icons etc will move about but don't worry)

    Now add widgets and search for task and double click task manager
    You need to drag it right back over to the left to get all the clock and tray to move back in place
    Now go to Kicker and find dolphin and firefox, right click and you should see add to panel
    Then drag them in place
    I just did it on mine. Here it is
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    Default Re: 12.1: KDE -- starter buttons disappear after clicking

    Quote Originally Posted by caf4926 View Post
    Let me explain
    The two icons are part of the task manager
    What makes you say that? The task manager shows open applications. The OP is talking about launcher icons on the panel which disappear once clicked upon, no?
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    Default Re: 12.1: KDE -- starter buttons disappear after clicking

    Quote Originally Posted by gminnerup View Post
    3. Launcher icons on the panel, for Dolphin or anything else, do not disappear when clicked on.
    Yes, they do.

    In the earlier milestone releases, there were two sets of icons - one was the larger firefox and dolphin icons as in 11.4, and the other were smaller icons as in 12.1.

    The smaller icons disappear when the application is open. The larger icons stayed there.

    I think the OP is looking for how to put the older larger icons back, and possibly remove the newer ones. I'm pretty sure that's possible, though I don't know the details of how. For myself, I have not been troubled by the change because I mostly start firefox at the command line, and I rarely use dolphin (the unix shell is my preferred file manager).
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    Default Re: 12.1: KDE -- starter buttons disappear after clicking

    Quote Originally Posted by kullmann View Post
    3. Launcher icons on the panel, for Dolphin or anything else, do not disappear when clicked on.

    They do. Why do you think they don't? Is there a specification?

    Now how can we communicate about this behaviour of the desktop?
    Obviously the easiest possibility, just looking, is not given.
    Is there an application which can easily make a video from the desktop?
    A single desktop photo is likely not enough for this form of communication.

    Oliver
    I know they don't because they never have for me, or anyone else I know of. But I do not doubt that yours disappear, so no need for videos. The issue is WHY yours disappear, and to figure that out is difficult because you provide little informations other than an indication that you've already got rid of things like Knetworkmanager and Kwallet, and don't seem to know how the panel (or what you call "the bottom part", "perhaps the panel") works. Now I'm sure we can get to the bottom of this, but not with silly rants about KDE needing to be "abolished", not allowing multiple windows, and so on). I suspect what you call "mini-programs" are KDE widgets, and your terminology alone suggests to me that you've got little or no experience with KDE, not even 4.6. That's ok too, we all started somewhere, but then don't go on these rants if you really don't know what you're talking about.
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    Default Re: 12.1: KDE -- starter buttons disappear after clicking

    I think the OP is looking for how to put the older larger icons back, and possibly remove the newer ones. I'm pretty sure that's possible
    And I explained how

    What makes you say that? The task manager shows open applications.
    Try deleting your task manager, or just move it around and watch the icons move with it
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