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    Default Whatever Happened to Gnome Panel in openSUSE 12.1

    Hi,

    Panel was a great assistance and convenience for day to day work. One could have all the usually used application icons in the panel and activate any application by just one click. Now one has to go in so many steps to the required application: Activities > Applications > Group (to which application belongs) > finally to the target Application. Not convenient! On the other hand, one does not like to clutter up the desktop with icons of needed applications like they do in MS Windows. That is a very confused way of working. Why do we have to copy after the Microsoft Windows. Opening Gnome 3 in openSUSE 12.1 made me feel as if I was working with Windows Vista or Windows 7. The panel was a superior way of working than the Windows way. We did not have to do away with it.

    Why do the planners & designers of new versions take away from the users the 'convenience of working' practiced and got used to in the current application. For efficiency the practice of previous usage should remain in tact. Only the other intrinsic aspects of the software etc should be improved. I know this is the old debate but it has come to be felt with renewed force with Gnome 3 Desktop.

    Finally the question: Is there a way to get the good old gnome-panel with Gnome 3 in openSUSE 12.1?

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    Default Re: Whatever Happened to Gnome Panel in openSUSE 12.1

    Quote Originally Posted by rsp2
    Hi,

    Panel was a great assistance and convenience for day to day work. One
    could have all the usually used application icons in the panel and
    activate any application by just one click. Now one has to go in so many
    steps to the required application: Activities > Applications > Group (to
    which application belongs) > finally to the target Application. Not
    convenient! On the other hand, one does not like to clutter up the
    desktop with icons of needed applications like they do in MS Windows.
    That is a very confused way of working. Why do we have to copy after the
    Microsoft Windows. Opening Gnome 3 in openSUSE 12.1 made me feel as if I
    was working with Windows Vista or Windows 7. The panel was a superior
    way of working than the Windows way. We did not have to do away with
    it.

    Why do the planners & designers of new versions take away from the
    users the 'convenience of working' practiced and got used to in the
    current application. For efficiency the practice of previous usage
    should remain in tact. Only the other intrinsic aspects of the software
    etc should be improved. I know this is the old debate but it has come to
    be felt with renewed force with Gnome 3 Desktop.

    **Finally the question:* Is there a way to get the good old gnome-panel
    with Gnome 3 in openSUSE 12.1?*

    Hi
    There should be a panel on the left, you can add applications via
    right-click on the icon add to favorites.

    If you press the super key, then start typing the name of your
    application you will get to it, then add to the application panel.

    Also check the Release Notes, there is a link there to a cheatsheet for
    other shortcuts.

    If the application has a notification icon, these will remain in the
    notification panel at the bottom of the screen. Just move you mouse
    pointer to the bottom-right of the screen.

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    Default Re: Whatever Happened to Gnome Panel in openSUSE 12.1

    Fallback mode or xfce
    GNOME3 is a bad joke, good example how NOT to make desktop UI.

    And please don't compare it to Windows UI, which is one of most polished and reliable UI on the market, and many DE took inspiration from it, including gnome and kde.

    I miss gnome2 too. Try xfce, it's not bad
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    Default Re: Whatever Happened to Gnome Panel in openSUSE 12.1

    On 2011-11-18 13:46, rsp2 wrote:

    > Why do the planners & designers of new versions take away from the
    > users the 'convenience of working' practiced and got used to in the
    > current application. For efficiency the practice of previous usage
    > should remain in tact. Only the other intrinsic aspects of the software
    > etc should be improved. I know this is the old debate but it has come to
    > be felt with renewed force with Gnome 3 Desktop.


    IMHO, report usability bugs in Bugzilla. Politely, but firmly.

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    Default Re: Whatever Happened to Gnome Panel in openSUSE 12.1

    Quote Originally Posted by sobrus View Post
    Fallback mode or xfce
    GNOME3 is a bad joke, good example how NOT to make desktop UI.

    And please don't compare it to Windows UI, which is one of most polished and reliable UI on the market, and many DE took inspiration from it, including gnome and kde.

    I miss gnome2 too. Try xfce, it's not bad
    Don't cry, there is always MGSE in Linux Mint.

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    Default Re: Whatever Happened to Gnome Panel in openSUSE 12.1

    Quote Originally Posted by sunscape View Post
    Don't cry, there is always MGSE in Linux Mint.
    Used in the upper of the screen and select > user >System Settings > info > Graphics >Forced Fallback Mode > ON.


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    Default Re: Whatever Happened to Gnome Panel in openSUSE 12.1

    Hello,

    Going to > user >System Settings > info > Graphics >Forced Fallback Mode > ON is not an answer, neither is try Xfce or KDE. The overriding point here is that with Gnome3 the developers have taken functionality away and replaced it with new functionality that a) nobody asked for and b) nobody seems to like. Personally, I don't want to have to remember a whole load of shortcuts, neither do I want to have to go to the Activities button at the top left whenever I want to do anything. I think a good starting compromise here could be that the Favourites is fully configurable buy the user, behaviour, look and feel and everything and that it can be set to appear by just moving the cursor to the extreme left of the screen. There are other things wrong but getting this right to start with would make a big difference. To be fair, there is also a lot of good behind the scenes as well.
    Regards,
    John

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    Default Re: Whatever Happened to Gnome Panel in openSUSE 12.1

    One more thing, about the gnome 3.2 panel (fallback mode).
    I've lost an option to display it's own windows on each virtual desktop. Where is it? Now each desktop has the same task bar items. Is it one of those everyday needed features that GNOME developers considered to be unnecessary for they users?
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    Default Re: Whatever Happened to Gnome Panel in openSUSE 12.1

    Quote Originally Posted by jbenet View Post
    Going to > user >System Settings > info > Graphics >Forced Fallback Mode > ON is not an answer, neither is try Xfce or KDE.
    Sure, those are answers (and good answers).
    Quote Originally Posted by jbenet View Post
    The overriding point here is that with Gnome3 the developers have taken functionality away and replaced it with new functionality that a) nobody asked for and b) nobody seems to like.
    It is there software package. If you don't like it, you can always develop your own

    I switched to KDE shortly after installing 11.3. I could already see that the Gnome developers seemed to be taking a "my way or the highway" attitude. So at that point, it was time to give up on Gnome. It was a close call between KDE4 and XFCE, but I slightly preferred KDE in spite of its bloat.
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    Default Re: Whatever Happened to Gnome Panel in openSUSE 12.1

    On 2011-11-19 11:06, Razorcold wrote:
    >
    > One more thing, about the gnome 3.*2* panel (fallback mode).
    > I've lost an option to display it's own windows on each virtual
    > desktop. Where is it? Now each desktop has the same task bar items. Is
    > it one of those everyday needed features that GNOME developers
    > considered to be unnecessary for they users?


    Report in Bugzilla.

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