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    Default Without installing OS 12.1, any way to know if it'll run faster/slower than 11.3 on my machine?

    I currently have openSUSE 11.3 running on my machine and it runs really well, but I'm interested in possibly updating to 12.1. What I'm afraid of is that it will be too much for my machine and not run as well as 11.3. Aside from actually installing it, is there any way to know how 12.1 will run on this machine?

    current system/setup:

    CPU: AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3100+, 1,808.35 MHz
    RAM: 1.4 GiB
    Free memory: 95.5 MiB (+ 625.6 MiB Caches)
    Free swap: 2.0 GiB

    OS: openSUSE 11.3 (i586)
    Desktop: KDE 4.4.4 "release 3"

    Display: nVidia Corporation
    Model: GeForce 8400 GS
    2D driver: nvidia
    3D driver: NVIDIA 275.21

    (500GB hard drive)

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    Default Re: Without installing OS 12.1, any way to know if it'll run faster/slower than 11.3 on my machine?

    You could boot from the KDE live CD, and see how that runs.
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    Default Re: Without installing OS 12.1, any way to know if it'll run faster/slower than 11.3 on my machine?

    With history as our guide...newer OS' (in their default configuration) tend
    to be slower on the same hardware. I believe the assumption is that newer
    OS' will be installed on newer hardware that can take advantage of the gee
    whiz latest features. However, that doesn't mean you can't make the newer
    OS perform as well as the older version, you just may need to tweak it a
    bit.

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    Default Re: Without installing OS 12.1, any way to know if it'll run faster/slower than 11.3 on my machine?

    Quote Originally Posted by nrickert View Post
    You could boot from the KDE live CD, and see how that runs.
    is that different than live usb? in live usb, it's pretty slow because it has to keep "consulting" the usb stick, is this not the case for live cd?

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    Default Re: Without installing OS 12.1, any way to know if it'll run faster/slower than 11.3 on my machine?

    Quote Originally Posted by 6tr6tr View Post
    is that different than live usb? in live usb, it's pretty slow because it has to keep "consulting" the usb stick, is this not the case for live cd?
    Actually you should find a live usb much quicker than a cd

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    Default Re: Without installing OS 12.1, any way to know if it'll run faster/slower than 11.3 on my machine?

    Quote Originally Posted by 6tr6tr View Post
    is that different than live usb? in live usb, it's pretty slow because it has to keep "consulting" the usb stick, is this not the case for live cd?
    LiveCD will be considerably slower than installed system, for obvious reasons. The comparison may have some value (or maybe not) if you compare LiveCDs of both versions. Even so the systems will have considerable differences from the installed one, that might lead to erroneous conclusions. The open-source video drivers in the liveCDs, for instance, might give poorer performance, depending on what video card you have.

    Quote Originally Posted by 6tr6tr View Post
    I'm interested in possibly updating to 12.1.
    I always found an incremental new version faster/better than the previous, due to better drivers, optimizations and such, exception made on big desktop changes like KDE 3 to 4.

    Also note that your current system probably have optimizations you made long ago and hardly remember, most of which you'll end up doing again in time.

    So, considering that in a few more (six ?) months 11.3 will be discontinued, it's not a bad idea to upgrade a couple of months *AFTER* 12.1 is released, when most remaining bugs will be solved and the less popular packages will be available. Unless you want to participate in the bug squashing, never a good idea in productions systems. So, in short: upgrade, but not now.

    Another option, if you 20 or so GB available in the last partition of your disk, you can repartition it, install 12.1 (using it's grub setup to multiboot) and test it to your heart's content. If you're unhappy with 12.1 you can easily revert to the previous status quo.

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    Default Re: Without installing OS 12.1, any way to know if it'll run faster/slower than 11.3 on my machine?

    Quote Originally Posted by 6tr6tr View Post
    is that different than live usb? in live usb, it's pretty slow because it has to keep "consulting" the usb stick, is this not the case for live cd?
    As others have said, the CD is the slowest, and install on a hard disk is fastest.

    Run from a live CD or live USB to test whether it is stable on your system. But don't expect that to be a good indication of speed.

    The speed of 12.1, if installed on your hard disk, should not be much different from the speed of the 11.3 that you currently use. Well, okay, the startup time might be different. But once past the startup, the speed of continuing operations should be similar.

    I seem to recall that with 11.3, the default was that desktop effects were off unless you turned them on. With 12.1, they are on unless you turn them off. If desktop effects are not important, then try turning them off. The newer versions of KDE (4.7.2 with opensuse 12.1) are more stable than the version 4.4.4 that you are using.
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    Default Re: Without installing OS 12.1, any way to know if it'll run faster/slowerthan 11.3 on my machine?

    On 2011-11-14 21:26, brunomcl wrote:
    > I always found an incremental new version faster/better than the
    > previous, due to better drivers, optimizations and such, exception made
    > on big desktop changes like KDE 3 to 4.


    This doesn't always happen when memory is scarce, because newer versions
    often have bigger programs and libraries.

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    Default Re: Without installing OS 12.1, any way to know if it'll run faster/slowerthan 11.3 on my machine?

    Am 15.11.2011 01:33, schrieb Carlos E. R.:
    > On 2011-11-14 21:26, brunomcl wrote:
    >> I always found an incremental new version faster/better than the
    >> previous, due to better drivers, optimizations and such, exception made
    >> on big desktop changes like KDE 3 to 4.

    >
    > This doesn't always happen when memory is scarce, because newer versions
    > often have bigger programs and libraries.
    >

    The 1.4 GB the OP has can be the show stopper for newer kde versions, it
    maybe possible to tweak it for lower memory consumption, but looking at
    the machine where I write this (11.4 with kde 4.7.3) I have right now
    1014 MB memory consumption by the applications (means without
    cache/buffers) and run only thunderbird and firefox in this moment.

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    Default Re: Without installing OS 12.1, any way to know if it'll run faster/slowerthan 11.3 on my machine?

    brunomcl wrote:
    > So, considering that in a few more (six ?) months 11.3 will be
    > discontinued, it's not a bad idea to upgrade a couple of months *AFTER*
    > 12.1 is released, when most remaining bugs will be solved and the less
    > popular packages will be available. Unless you want to participate in
    > the bug squashing, never a good idea in productions systems. So, in
    > short: upgrade, but not now.


    It's nothing like six months That was back in the good old days If
    I remember the policy correctly, it goes obsolete two months after the
    12.1 release. So wait a month by all means (that's what I plan to do),
    but two is pushing your luck.

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