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    Default Re: Opensuse freezes after update 11.2 -> 11.4

    On 2011-09-18 12:46, omar ita wrote:
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    > Oh My Gosh!! :-(
    >
    > Yes I've read that the upgrade was 11.3->11.4 but I also thoutght
    > Zypper would have been able to do it, or would have at least warned me
    > "hey guy, you can't move from 11.2 directly!" :-)


    Unfortunately, zypper is not clever enough to know that you are upgrading
    across two versions. It only knows what repos you have active, and that you
    request a distro upgrade. If the process were more automated, so that
    instead of changing repos manually, you could tell it to upgrade to the
    next suse version taking the appropriate measures, then things would be
    quite different.

    The thing is that a zypper distro-upgrade across two versions is "not
    officially supported", which simply means that if you find problems you can
    not report them in bugzilla. It should not mean that you can not ask here -
    except that the folks here hate upgrades (ducking :-P )

    However, a DVD upgrade across two or three versions is supported.

    > Anyway, no problem at all, I'll simply backup the home folder and go
    > throught a fresh install. There's always some kind of "romantic" in a
    > Linux installation, I remember when I were struggling with text mode
    > SuSE installation in the late '90


    I have done many upgrades, since version 5 something. So, trick: keep a
    small test partition in the same machine, and test the target system
    installed new on that partition; ideally while it is the factory version
    (to report new problems). If it works, attempt the upgrade of the main
    partition (after a backup).

    If the upgrade has problems, you can compare with the other, working,
    partition and find the problem.


    IMO, it is possible that you will also have a similar problem with a new
    install, your video card is problematic. I would try first the typical
    remedies for video problems forgetting that it is an upgrade.

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    Default Re: Opensuse freezes after update 11.2 -> 11.4

    On 09/19/2011 03:48 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
    > IMO, it is possible that you will also have a similar problem with a new
    > install, your video card is problematic. I would try first the typical
    > remedies for video problems forgetting that it is an upgrade.


    i seldom (if ever) disagree with your assessment, but i do need to say
    that i'm not familiar with ATI video problems causing a system freeze as
    the OP reported.....but, welll.....lets see what happens...

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    Default Re: Opensuse freezes after update 11.2 -> 11.4

    On 2011-09-19 16:31, DenverD wrote:
    > On 09/19/2011 03:48 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
    >> IMO, it is possible that you will also have a similar problem with a new
    >> install, your video card is problematic. I would try first the typical
    >> remedies for video problems forgetting that it is an upgrade.

    >
    > i seldom (if ever) disagree with your assessment, but i do need to say that
    > i'm not familiar with ATI video problems causing a system freeze as the OP
    > reported.....but, welll.....lets see what happens...


    I try to avoid ATI video cards, so I do not know how to troubleshoot them.
    But there are howtos here and in the wiki, I understand, so I would try that.

    However, he has both ATI and Intel chips. That could be a nightmare...


    I have a doubt. When did KMS appear, on which SUSE version? Because the
    upgrade from a version with the old graphic system to one with the new can
    be very problematic.

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    Default Re: Opensuse freezes after update 11.2 -> 11.4

    [QUOTE=robin_listas;2385536]However, he has both ATI and Intel chips. That could be a
    The problem is not with ATI, it is power-saving feature of the Intel chipset. I have been following discussions on LKML and Phoronix, as my laptop falls into this category and power consumption is a big issue. I would very much like to use the integrated Intel graphics when on battery, but no linux kernel works unless I turn this feature off in the BIOS. The first time it tries to switch graphics drivers the system hangs with a blank screen -- <SysRq> is ineffective. My BIOS only allows Radeon or dynamic switching, otherwise I would set up a choice between Radeon and Intel in GRUB. Radeon on 3+ kernels is good and 3D acceleration works well.

    I have a doubt. When did KMS appear, on which SUSE version? Because the upgrade from a version with the old graphic system to one with the new can be very problematic.
    From my (not so good) memory and investigating my archive drives:
    KMS with DRM for Radeon was introduced in kernel 2.6.31 (openSuSE-11.2), but I do not think it was enabled by default until 11.3 (kernel-2.6.34). 11.3 was the end of xorg.conf, and SaX -- the start of xorg.conf.d.

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    Default Re: Opensuse freezes after update 11.2 -> 11.4

    On 2011-09-19 19:06, eng-int wrote:
    >> I have a doubt. When did KMS appear, on which SUSE version? Because the
    >> upgrade from a version with the old graphic system to one with the new
    >> can be very problematic.


    > From my (not so good) memory and investigating my archive drives:
    > KMS with DRM for Radeon was introduced in kernel 2.6.31
    > (openSuSE-11.2), but I do not think it was enabled by default until
    > 11.3 (kernel-2.6.34). 11.3 was the end of xorg.conf, and SaX -- the
    > start of xorg.conf.d.


    Right. Then the upgrade from 11.2 to 11.4 is specially problematic :-(

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    Carlos E. R.
    (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar)

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