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    Hi, i want to make a HD video for my parents from where i live and to do that, i need to buy equipment.

    Since i am out of the market for so long, i have no plan what to look for.
    First i need a HD camcorder. Nothing to expensive (just for hobby) but still good enough so it can work with Linux.
    Then i need to see about software. What will be good to make cuts and edit the video?

    I am a canon guy (love their stuff) but i don't mind to buy something else. What matters is, that it works and is easily to operate and the quality should be ok too.

    Hope someone does similar things there and can maybe share a thing or two.

    Thanks for any info.
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    On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 23:06:03 +0000, JoergJaeger wrote:

    > Hi, i want to make a HD video for my parents from where i live and to do
    > that, i need to buy equipment.
    >
    > Since i am out of the market for so long, i have no plan what to look
    > for.
    > First i need a HD camcorder. Nothing to expensive (just for hobby) but
    > still good enough so it can work with Linux. Then i need to see about
    > software. What will be good to make cuts and edit the video?
    >
    > I am a canon guy (love their stuff) but i don't mind to buy something
    > else. What matters is, that it works and is easily to operate and the
    > quality should be ok too.
    >
    > Hope someone does similar things there and can maybe share a thing or
    > two.
    >
    > Thanks for any info.


    Not sure on software, but for HW, you might look to see if you can find
    one of the Cisco FlipVideo HD cameras. Since Cisco is shuttering that
    division, you might get a good deal on one.

    I've got one of their SD cameras and for the little I use it, it works
    well enough. The embedded software is all for Windows or Mac, but on
    Linux, it mounts as a storage device, so pulling the files off is a
    breeze.

    Jim



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    For simple video-editing Avidemux is quite good - easy to use and with a nice handful of audio- / videofilters, effects etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoergJaeger View Post
    Hi, i want to make a HD video for my parents from where i live
    How old is your parent's PC ? Note only the newest PCs will play HD video properly.

    Typically when they talk about HD video they refer to 1080p or 720p. 1080p typically is 1920x1080 resolution at a high bit rate. 720p is typically 1280x720 resolution at a high bit rate. Dependent on the bit rate, and also on the CPU speed, the graphic card hardware, and the graphic driver and on the playback application your parents may or not be able to play an HD video.

    Find out EXACTLY what hardware (cpu, graphic card) your parents have on their PC, find out what media player they use on their PC, and if possible find out what graphic card driver they have on their PC.

    So some research will go a LONG ways there. Don't 'just assume' they will be able to play an HD video as they may not be able to.

    Now, editing HD video is not easy, and its only very recently that the free open source GNU/Linux movie editors are capable of doing this. When you say 'cuts and edit' the video, what do you mean ? If it is just crude chopping, then avidemux can do this. If you want basic transitions between multiple clips, maybe some text, then you will want a NLE (non-linear video editor).

    I use kdenlive as my NLE of choice and I typically edit at 720p, as 1080p is FAR too demanding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldcpu
    If it is just crude chopping, then avidemux can do this.
    Just for the record: Avidemux can do much more than that. However, I do agree that for example Kdenlive offers some more features.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gropiuskalle View Post
    Just for the record: Avidemux can do much more than that. However, I do agree that for example Kdenlive offers some more features.
    Indeed avidemux can. I use it if I want to 'tune' a video to try to improve the quality. But if I want to make a home video from many short clips, then I use an application that is designed for that such as an NLE (such as kdenlive). IMHO avidemux is designed for tuning videos, chopping out sections of videos, for encoding to different formats, etc ... but its not designed to compete with an NLE.

    I see avidemux and kdenlive like apples and potatoes. They do different things by design. Both are necessary tools (IMHO) for anyone in GNU/Linux who is in to multimedia editing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldcpu View Post
    How old is your parent's PC ? Note only the newest PCs will play HD video properly.

    Typically when they talk about HD video they refer to 1080p or 720p. 1080p typically is 1920x1080 resolution at a high bit rate. 720p is typically 1280x720 resolution at a high bit rate. Dependent on the bit rate, and also on the CPU speed, the graphic card hardware, and the graphic driver and on the playback application your parents may or not be able to play an HD video.

    Find out EXACTLY what hardware (cpu, graphic card) your parents have on their PC, find out what media player they use on their PC, and if possible find out what graphic card driver they have on their PC.

    So some research will go a LONG ways there. Don't 'just assume' they will be able to play an HD video as they may not be able to.

    Now, editing HD video is not easy, and its only very recently that the free open source GNU/Linux movie editors are capable of doing this. When you say 'cuts and edit' the video, what do you mean ? If it is just crude chopping, then avidemux can do this. If you want basic transitions between multiple clips, maybe some text, then you will want a NLE (non-linear video editor).

    I use kdenlive as my NLE of choice and I typically edit at 720p, as 1080p is FAR too demanding.

    Well, my parents do not use a computer. It is for their tv. So computer issues will fall out of the picture and are only restricted to me as i edit the movie on my pc.
    So what i want to do is, record a movie in HD (perhaps widescreen) and edit the video, cut some parts and put some music into it. Lastly burn it on a DVD a send it with mail to their home.
    As far as camcorder goes, flipcam might be an option. But i consider also one of these entry camcorder from canon. I checked them yesterday.
    On the software side, i have no plan really. So i will use whatever i get recommended and see what happens. I have no favorite so far, so i would try out the two applications and see what you can do with it.
    Any camcoder that uses a memorycard should work in theory i think. Although there are some new memory types i never heard about it. Like a Xmemory (SD card with 64GB). Does Linux read them?
    720p is ok since i am not even sure if my parents have a 1080p, its perhaps only 1080i. I don't even have a 1080p. So 720 will be the choice for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoergJaeger View Post
    Well, my parents do not use a computer. It is for their tv. So computer issues will fall out of the picture and are only restricted to me as i edit the movie on my pc.
    So what i want to do is, record a movie in HD (perhaps widescreen) and edit the video, cut some parts and put some music into it. Lastly burn it on a DVD a send it with mail to their home.
    If its a DVD (say PAL in Europe) then the resolution is 720x576 which is significantly lower than 720p. So 720p will be more than adequate.


    Quote Originally Posted by JoergJaeger View Post
    Any camcoder that uses a memorycard should work in theory i think. Although there are some new memory types i never heard about it. Like a Xmemory (SD card with 64GB). Does Linux read them?
    Does Linux read an Xmemory card ? No. Linux is an operating system. It is not a card reader. Not wanting to be critical, but think about the question. We need to know the hardware.

    If your hardware card reader will read a 64 GB SD card, and if lower spec cards can be read by Linux, then Linux will likely support reading the 64GB card from the card reader.

    If your camera has a USB interface, then Linux will likely support reading via the camera's USB interface.

    I use a 32 GB SD card with my Canon HF S10 and Linux can read/copy via the Camera's USB interface the image data on the card fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoergJaeger
    Although there are some new memory types i never heard about it. Like a Xmemory (SD card with 64GB). Does Linux read them?
    Do you refer to SDXC here? Wikipedia says:

    Quote Originally Posted by Wikipedia
    The SDcard association selected Microsoft's proprietary exFAT file system in the official SDXC specification; however, as with SD and SDHC, it is still a plain block device and thus arbitrary partitioning and other file systems can be used, such as ext4, HFS Plus, NTFS, UFS, etc.
    You should check whether the camera in question needs the card to be formatted with exFAT, though; Tuxera is developing an exFAT-driver for (embedded) Linux, but for now it's not supported.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldcpu View Post
    If its a DVD (say PAL in Europe) then the resolution is 720x576 which is significantly lower than 720p. So 720p will be more than adequate.




    Does Linux read an Xmemory card ? No. Linux is an operating system. It is not a card reader. Not wanting to be critical, but think about the question. We need to know the hardware.

    If your hardware card reader will read a 64 GB SD card, and if lower spec cards can be read by Linux, then Linux will likely support reading the 64GB card from the card reader.

    If your camera has a USB interface, then Linux will likely support reading via the camera's USB interface.

    I use a 32 GB SD card with my Canon HF S10 and Linux can read/copy via the Camera's USB interface the image data on the card fine.
    Ok, that settles it. Yeah, i was faster writing than thinking. lol

    Btw. whats your experience with Canon camcorder? I liked the Vixia HF R200. But i am just researching at the moment.
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