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    Angry The end of the free (flat) web has begun

    Yesterday i got an email from my internet provider (AT$T) in which i am told, that if i reach the limit of 150GB, i have to pay additional $10 for every 50GB used.

    There was a chart that explains how much 150GB is. So if you stream a movie in HD, you can stream about 10 movies and hit the limit. If you do something else maybe more.

    This is kind of funny, since everything we supposed to do requires the internet like streaming a movie.
    According to AT&T its only about 2% of users that really hit that limit. aha.

    Not sure if i am the only one who got that, but no i need to pay even more for the luxury like watching movies and shows.

    I'll guess if you don't do anything really on the internet, you are well off.

    Where is the net neutrality here.

    The last time i have seen that, was in the beginning of the internet. At that time there was no flatrate.

    Do any other providers enact a similar policy?
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    Default Re: The end of the free (flat) web has begun

    That is better than the 5 gig cap they RR were talking about. In AT&T's case it's about greed more than cost or profit though.

    All US ISPs have not expanded their capability to sustain the amount of use they always have advertise as all you can eat for one price. They put that money in the CEO's and stock holders pockets instead. That is why for most people they have one choice of ISP for broadband at crappy speeds if they even have that choice at all. Any time anyone wants to put up a cooperative or government owned ISP's they lobby against it or try and get it made illegal even though they refuse to serve the areas that are trying to COOP most of the time.

    Sorry about the rant but I am just fed up with no choices. No Hughes NET is not a valid choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlameBait View Post
    That is better than the 5 gig cap they RR were talking about. In AT&T's case it's about greed more than cost or profit though.

    All US ISPs have not expanded their capability to sustain the amount of use they always have advertise as all you can eat for one price. They put that money in the CEO's and stock holders pockets instead. That is why for most people they have one choice of ISP for broadband at crappy speeds if they even have that choice at all. Any time anyone wants to put up a cooperative or government owned ISP's they lobby against it or try and get it made illegal even though they refuse to serve the areas that are trying to COOP most of the time.

    Sorry about the rant but I am just fed up with no choices. No Hughes NET is not a valid choice.
    You mean RoadRunner i assume.
    So its like a wide spread virus going rampage.
    At the time they were talking about smartphones and capping i did not care. Maybe i should have.
    Yes, i don't have a choice either. Its been great here. There is only AT&T land all around me, but some better neighborhoods have Verizon.

    Maybe we should just boycott the isp and instead use the internet over starbeats or mcdingens.
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    I am too dependent on the Internet to boycott my ISP.

    My ISP is BrightHouse Networks but it's managed by Road Runner so I get Time Warner's wonderful policies. My speeds have recently improved but it's no where near what I am paying for by a wide margin. I do download a lot. I mean a lot but I don't do 150 gigs a month either. You can get "Earthlink" over the same cable system but the policies would be the same and their repair service is slow.

    There is no ADSL here and it would be Verizon if there was.
    I have my iPhone but it's on WIFI over my cable most of the time anyway and 3G speeds suck if you try and do anything over the internet on AT&T's system. Dial Up is faster.
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    Default Re: The end of the free (flat) web has begun

    I see this as part of a "stop netflix now" campaign.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nrickert View Post
    I see this as part of a "stop netflix now" campaign.
    You can stream Netflix on your Linux? Keeps telling me my operating system isn't supported.
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    Weighing in from Canada, The CRTC (Canadian radio television commission ) is supposed to regulate things here but they are obviously in the pockets of the big isp providers. We have an active campaign against UBB (usage based billing) which was only in a small part successful. Bell, SHAW, Rogers and Telus are the main players. They argue that their unlimited plans have limits and that this is both accepted by the masses and acceptable business model to prevent lower cost carriers from entering their markets with true unlimited access plans.

    I looked up my copies of TOS (terms of service) when I was on telus ADSL. It stated in paragraph 4.7 that unlimited service is defined as 24 hours per day 7 days per week & not to exceed 1.5TB of download per month and 2.5TB of upload per month. I discontinued their service when I was charged for 2 months service in which I was unable to connect even by phone to their call center due to noise on the line. After I cancelled ADSL and phone I received a demand notice to re-activate my phone service or face prosecution (placed to my rogers cell). One call to my lawyer and they went away fast but did send me a wonderful set of offers for 1) ADSL phone and Internet for $10 more per month than my previous plan with a change to the TOS saying unlimited Internet with a cap (limit) at 60GB then $1 per GB for going over the cap. 2) Telus Optic Satellite TV with the statement "after you have signed up for the service and pay your first two month pre-billing you will be informed if your area is serviced or when it may be serviced"!

    Similar story on Rogers AirInternet which is a mc950 usb internet stick that basically connects through a cell phone plan and rates under 3G. Their plan says unlimited Internet 24/7 but has a cap of 20GB + $10/GB over that. One year in to their 3 year plan it changed to a cap of 10GB + $15/GB over. Rate plans increased from $50/month to over $75/month in a single year. Obviously, they are long gone too.

    SHAW is no better, signed up for Cable Internet $21.95/month bundled with Cable TV at $31.95/month basic. TOS said unlimited 24/7 access with no limit on bandwidth & no cap. Promotion said get 3 months Internet for free & 6 months of Cable TV at $59.95 for the reduced price of $31.95/month. What I got was as stated but when the 3 month Internet free period ended, they up'd the monthly rate to 31.95 plus $5 for modem rental (I owned my own modem so after some heated talks they changed the charge to 31.95 plus $2.50 service fee for owning my own modem). When the reduced cable tv promo ended, my basic plan was increased to 41.95 plus $5 for cable tv modem. reason for the change "were sorry you didn't decide to keep our value added package and because of the immense extra costs of provided basic cable we have no choice but to pass this expense onto you". They sent me a new TOS for the internet and it now states that "since people are choosing to view streaming video rather than paying for more cable packs we have no choice but pass our loss onto all customers. You will still receive 24/7 access but bandwidth will be restricted to 60GB / month under your full access unlimited plan. extra GB will cost $10/5GB in increments. At our option high use users may have there access speed temporarily or permanently capped at a lower speed."

    Stop the Cap! has petitions in both canada and the usa to stop Usage Based Billing (UBB)

    I no longer have the references at my fingertips to some TV interviews and programs examining things so I can only recite from memory, so please don't jump all over me. In short, these programs examined the real costs of providing various services and levels of services and included costs of cell phone during roaming abroad, costs of local roaming vs plain local, costs of ISP related data transmission vs overhead, and costs of providing cable tv / satellite tv.

    Just as it is for the oil companies, the prices we pay are well scripted in a manor that could be taken as unfair business practice. Under US and Canadian laws, it is supposedly illegal for two or more competing vendors to price fix to the end users so as to give an unfair burden to those end users. From me; (ever wonder how it is that we have 6 , 8, or 12 vendors all selling the same product which is supposed to be at a price based upon cost of manufacture + costs of labor + costs of facilities + costs of research etc, but they all come out at close to the same price and same TOS and same excuses but yet there is no collaboration?)

    Anyways, the programs did make some interesting points. Cell phones used abroad are at a negotiated rate between the carriers on both sides of the big pond. The only reason that the UK, EU, Asia which are heavily regulated are so expensive when talking to Canada and USA is because our carriers are using a mark-up scale of cost plus 2500%. For Cell use with-in Canada/USA the real cost per hour of use is under $0.04 cents as confirmed by spokesmen of University of Toronto, University of Calgary, University of Vancouver, MIT, Harvard, and Washington State U. Each program sited different ones but these were the common ones used. Real costs of texting/tweeting and email averages to about $0.01 per 2GB of transfer. Real cost of Internet browsing (without upload/download of huge content ) averages at under $0.02 per month and increases to about $5/320GB of streaming, upload, and downloads. There conclusions which are mine too; is if cell, and Internet are so low in cost why are we held hostage to such extortion with full government consent.

    Up here in Canada the question was posed "Is basic Internet a right or privilege?" The government is now doing almost everything using Internet access only and to maintain economic feasibility would like to expand Internet use. The government has just made the statement, that Basic Internet is a necessity and thusly constitutes as a 'right' but providers argue 'rights should be reserved to such things as "a right can not be removed from any person just as life and liberty is protected and can not be removed without due process", the Internet is a privilege because those who can not pay do not deserve the freedom of it's use.

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    That is a horrible story. I can not compare myself with that.

    But it seems like, once we got addicted to the internet and the smartphones and all the other c***, we just keep paying whatever they ask. Just like at the pump.

    Its kind of a sad story, if you ask me.

    One thing is, like with CC agreements, you can reject them but cancel your contract also. So even if i dispute anything, i lose my service.
    So in the end, i have to keep paying whatever they tell me too.
    Maybe i don't reach the limit, but why should i care that i may reach it anyway.

    I think in todays world, it defiantly qualities for a right. Without Internet you like without a car. More and more transaction are done over the internet. It is even the one place they don't charge you anything so far, besides sending a check.
    Most correspondence is over the internet as well. Seems like these business are like speedbumbs just lurking somewhere in the dark and taking some more money out of you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rafter22 View Post
    You can stream Netflix on your Linux? Keeps telling me my operating system isn't supported.
    Probably not. I don't actually use netflix. However, most of AT&T's customers are not using linux and quite a few do use netflix.
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    I have a 60 gig limit. I am from Toronto. Since December 2010 I've been over the limit and have paid 20 to 30 $Canadian. The reason, refer to techwiz03 post on top.
    I just tried the test for a cable connection for techsavvy in my area and it's now available, their bandwith limit is 300 gigs and cheaper than my present provider by approximately 10 bucks.
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