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    Default kpackagekit updates refuses to install flash player update

    I've found the following irritating problem with the default update applet in 11.4 (the one available in 'Software Management' in the KDE system settings):

    1. Applet prompts to update the system, click Apply updates
    2. Accept licence agreement for flash player update
    3. The applet goes back to listing the available updates - ie. it doesn't run the update


    The workaround is to untick the flash player update, run the other updates and then do the flash player update by itself.

    Has anyone else seen this or raised a bug about it?

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    Default Re: kpackagekit updates refuses to install flash player update

    Don't use kpackagekit
    Use zypper or software management
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    Default Re: kpackagekit updates refuses to install flash player update

    kpackagekit is annoying.

    Sometimes it asks you twice for the root password;
    sometimes the prompt for the root password is hidden below other windows;
    sometimes it does what you describe.

    The gnome version is also annoying. It asks for the root password on the window listing the updates. If there are many updates, that window is partly below the bottom of the screen, so you cannot see where you are supposed to enter the root password.

    I am finding "online update" in Yast to be far more reliable and more informative. I have disabled kpackagekit update as a startup service. I periodically start it manually, so that I can see if there are updates. If there are, I often close the kpackagekit window and go to Yast to do the updating.
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    Default Re: kpackagekit updates refuses to install flash player update

    Don't understand why it does it but if you click 'Apply' again everything is installed, including the flash player update. Just an idiosyncracy it appears.

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    Default Re: kpackagekit updates refuses to install flash player update

    Maybe this is not the place to ask (or rant), but I do not understand the whole idea behind kpackagekit.

    Before we had the updater applet. My idea was that it formes part of the whole YaST > Software management/zypper/Updater applet group to manage my openSUSE installed software. Where the applet told me asap when security (and recommended) updates were available. I know that many here didn't want to use the applet, but it told me about security and that was what I liked. I repeat, my idea was that the applet was integral part of the openSUSE distribution to do package management (for system management) the openSUSE way.

    In 11.4 we seem to have a thing called Kpackagemanager, which to me looks like being something from KDE. KDE is a desktop environment suite for the end-user. Also I have the impression that KDE is distribution independent (it seems even to run on Windows versions). Thus I do not understand why
    . KDE suplies a tool for doing the system management task of software package management on openSUSE;
    . How the KDE people thought they would interface to all the different way of doing package managent in the different distributions/operating systems they seem to cover;
    . How the openSUSE distribution packagers thought it would be a good idea to have their openSUSE way of doing this could better be replaced by a new way (which will have a lot of deseases in the beginning) that is dependent on the usage of a particular DE (do all the other DEs also have such an applet?);
    . And why doen't the tool do what it should do: tell me about security updates in the Update repo, instead of telling me about all sorts of new versions in the repos I have.

    Now for the last complaint, when you open the applet for configuration, you see all your repos there and it offers you to switch all off except for the Update one. But when you do this, it asks for the root password! I do not understand why a tool that is perfectly able (like the earlier applet) to tell you if there are updates without doing so as root, needs to run as root when you tell it not to show all of that information. I did not take the risk to provide the root password, but if anybody knows why it needs it, that would be interesting.
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    Default Re: kpackagekit updates refuses to install flash player update

    Well I've only recently decided to switch to using kpackagekit. Before I was using the old automatic YAST online update configuration that places a script in /etc/cron.daily for you. If you haven't been using this install the package yast2-online-update-configuration and see it appear in YAST.

    Anyway I wanted to try kpackagekit because it looked nice how you could click each update and see the info on it, and also because it tells you when you need to reboot or logout or close programs after an update. With the silent /etc/cron.daily/ script you only know when you need to do this when you start getting weird errors.

    As for PackageKit in general I actually think it's an extremely good idea. It basically functions as a standard interface for installing or removing packages, and has backends that deal with yum, zypp, urpmi, apt or whatever. It's been very useful for example in some of the media players, since instead of giving a cryptic message 'codec XX is not installed' or 'libencodeXX.so not found' some of the players now call PackageKit which calls zypper to install the right package.

    Having a standard cross-distribution update applet is also a good idea, but as my experience shows it's not quite ready at this time Maybe in 12.1?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tk83 View Post
    Well I've only recently decided to switch to using kpackagekit. Before I was using the old automatic YAST online update configuration that places a script in /etc/cron.daily for you. If you haven't been using this install the package yast2-online-update-configuration and see it appear in YAST.

    Anyway I wanted to try kpackagekit because it looked nice how you could click each update and see the info on it, and also because it tells you when you need to reboot or logout or close programs after an update. With the silent /etc/cron.daily/ script you only know when you need to do this when you start getting weird errors.

    As for PackageKit in general I actually think it's an extremely good idea. It basically functions as a standard interface for installing or removing packages, and has backends that deal with yum, zypp, urpmi, apt or whatever. It's been very useful for example in some of the media players, since instead of giving a cryptic message 'codec XX is not installed' or 'libencodeXX.so not found' some of the players now call PackageKit which calls zypper to install the right package.

    Having a standard cross-distribution update applet is also a good idea, but as my experience shows it's not quite ready at this time Maybe in 12.1?
    You have read my post and thus will not be amazed that I am not with you on all your points.

    I do (and did) not want to be updated anything automatic because:
    1) I want to check the description (you seem to value that as a positive for Kpacketmaner, but the old applet had it and the same for the advice to reboot);
    2) I do not want to take any update (and particulary a kernel update) to take place when any user (including me) is loged in and uses any application like typing this post or working with a bank account.
    Thus the old applet perfectly filled my needs.

    And as you have read in my other post I do not think it a good idea when every DE tries to make an application that fits all sorts of package management for all sorts of OSes. Even if they get it right at one moment in time (which Kpacketmanaer hasn't atm) next moment e.g. the YaST/zypper developers may come which something new and I doubt that KDE, Gnome and all the others will have a changed package manager ready in time. In short, I do not believe that this is going to work.

    I used and valued the applet. An applet that I removed from all users except my own one because I am also the system manager. It hen warned me for realy important things: Security updates. It then let me assess the items there for importance and impact and thus let me decide if they realy should be implemented on some or all systems asap.

    Normal updates, like an application on Packman that has a tiny change I most probably will never experience, I do once a week when all systems have there maintanance. I do not want to be pestered by these updates as if they were as important as security patches.

    As Kpacketmanager is now it does not fullfill my wishes and when I try to bend it a little bit in the direction I want, it aks for the root pasword which I do not understand at all. It makes me suspicuous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hcvv View Post
    And as you have read in my other post I do not think it a good idea when every DE tries to make an application that fits all sorts of package management for all sorts of OSes. Even if they get it right at one moment in time (which Kpacketmanaer hasn't atm) next moment e.g. the YaST/zypper developers may come which something new and I doubt that KDE, Gnome and all the others will have a changed package manager ready in time. In short, I do not believe that this is going to work.
    Packagekit only handles common, basic use cases though - 'install a package' or 'install updates'. The more advanced stuff or more fine-grained control is always going to be in the distro-specific tools, but that won't stop packagekit handling the common stuff such as installing a codec package requested by an app or installing updates.

    I used and valued the applet. An applet that I removed from all users except my own one because I am also the system manager. It hen warned me for realy important things: Security updates. It then let me assess the items there for importance and impact and thus let me decide if they realy should be implemented on some or all systems asap.

    Normal updates, like an application on Packman that has a tiny change I most probably will never experience, I do once a week when all systems have there maintanance. I do not want to be pestered by these updates as if they were as important as security patches.

    As Kpacketmanager is now it does not fullfill my wishes and when I try to bend it a little bit in the direction I want, it aks for the root pasword which I do not understand at all. It makes me suspicuous.
    To be fair it's good that it asks for the root password before doing anything, since users who can't install software through YAST/zypp also aren't able to through packagekit.

    I agree it's not as flexible as the native distro tools though, and unfortunately seems to be buggy

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    Default Re: kpackagekit updates refuses to install flash player update

    To be fair it's good that it asks for the root password before doing anything, since users who can't install software through YAST/zypp also aren't able to through packagekit.
    I think you misunderstood me.

    When I ask it to install software it of course asks for the root password, else it couldn't do it.

    But I configure it and uncheck a few repos in the list to achieve that it does not check those repos and does consequently not show me about newer software on those repos. Now it does not even need root priviliges to check (as you must now because it shows you those things without asking you for the root password). Then why asks it for the root password if I only tell it NOT display some of those updates?

    I just started Kpackagekit because I wanted to make a picture of this to show you. But I am getting the eary ideaa that Kpacketmanager is wanting todo the same things as YaST Software management and that it in the case I mention is trying to make the repo inactive! THat is of course the last thing I want. Medling with my YaST/zypper data!

    I am going to deinstall that ..... immediatly.

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    Default Re: kpackagekit updates refuses to install flash player update

    But I configure it and uncheck a few repos in the list to achieve that it does not check those repos and does consequently not show me about newer software on those repos. Now it does not even need root priviliges to check (as you must now because it shows you those things without asking you for the root password). Then why asks it for the root password if I only tell it NOT display some of those updates?
    I think you misunderstood what that UI is for - it's configuring the software repositories, not filtering the KPackagekit UI list.
    Packagekit is just a distribution-agnostic layer on top of zypp (or yum in Fedora, apt in Debian etc.) so if you disable a repo through Packagekit it's really doing it through zypp anyway. It's the same as if you'd manually run 'zypper mr -d REPO'.

    The alternative, that Packagekit maintains it's own list of enabled/disabled repos that diverges from YAST/zypp is exactly what you don't want as it essentially creates another package management system on your machine.

    As I said before it's definitely not as flexible as the native tools - it's all or nothing, no way to just tell it to pull in security updates.
    Last edited by tk83; 13-Jun-2011 at 09:04. Reason: I've tested it myself now disabling a repo to confirm behaviour

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