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    Well, first off. I started to use Gnome 3 now and i have to say, that i pretty impressed by the decision made and the presentation.

    Gnome 3 makes it clear that there is no desktop anymore and rather tries to present a intuitive desktop experience that mainly will benefit newcomers.
    The way i use it, is like this.
    Either using the activities or just type the command in the search.
    It is a efficient way to find the program you need or want. No more submenu's to and just a simple layout that anyone can understand.

    There are mainly complains about, where the heck is my desktop, dude.

    It is clear that the traditional desktop was not a concern for the developers Instead a more easy to remember approach in how to get your program in less then 4 seconds.

    If you come from the Windows world you dig through a pile of submenu's to find the program, or you did it already and placed a shortcut on the desktop. Kinda littering the desktop, isn't it.

    This is of course my view of the experience and i am so sure that others see it very differently.

    Here is a link for the die hard nerd in how to get back all the desktop experience he never want to live without.
    Four tweaks to bring back missing functionality in GNOME 3.0

    But my advise is this, try it out as it was meant to be.

    I, for one, applaud to the bold move and been very happy so far. I even think compared to KDE, KDE is more complicated. But i am not saying that its not great. I love KDE but its just a different concept.

    So, anyway, are you making Gnome 3 into the old desktop experience or are you working in the new Gnome way of life.

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    It is certainly different.

    At a certain point, you have finished choosing (opening) your applications, and you want to actually start using them. That's when you really miss the old desktop functionality.

    Quote Originally Posted by JoergJaeger View Post
    So, anyway, are you making Gnome 3 into the old desktop experience or are you working in the new Gnome way of life.
    I am using KDE. I use gnome 3 only as a toy. I could get used to it, but for what I do it would be harder to use.
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    get your program in less then 4 seconds
    Not quick enough. KDE4 and I can get there before you say ONE
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    for me it is like this:

    first of all: the desktop is there to be cluttered. Its so to say a clipboard for all the stuff which needs to be saved during work. Cleaning up is later And another point is: I am the Boss of my computer. So from where do the Gnome guys take the power to take away my power to put stuff where I want it? Even when it is on the desktop... no rule tells "the desktop has to be clean". WTF??

    another one is: as I mentioned above, I am the boss of my computer. So I decide how I find and open a program. When I sit in front of the screen and want to open an app and I do not find it, I get mad. This is the same with Windows, where I have to dig through this pile of junk and do not find anything. So in Gnome and also in Unity I normally do not find apps on my own. This was true as I tested both of them for over a week. So I need this search. And this makes me feel "I am too stupid to find program xy" and it makes me feel that someone has taken the power away from me. Not acceptable.

    I know that I am not the sharpest knife in the box, when it comes to computers, but I want to feel like that I am the one who rules this box under my desk. That´s why: KDE FTW and I also can get there before you can say GNO and with ...ME I already have opened the 2nd app
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    I actually preferred the layout of the preview version. I wish I could get that back with the notifications and extentions, etc. built in.

    It seems it takes 3 clicks in Gnome 3 to gnome 2's 1 click to get to the desktop you want, etc...I think Gnome 2 is better in that way.

    However, I do like Gnome 3, and it is growing on me.
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    Haven't seen the preview myself, since i seldom install testing versions. But i am sure there will be changes a long the way. The same as it was with KDE. 3.2 supposed to see the light around October i believe.

    Just like to add, that a) i was partly controversial and b) not everyone hates it.
    You run Linux and therefore you can run whatever your heart feels. With Gnome 3 and Unity we have two similar desktops and it will be interesting to see which one wins over more people. But its not a competition, its whatever people like to use.
    To me, Gnome 3 seems the right fit. So i speak of course for myself and no one else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoergJaeger View Post
    Haven't seen the preview myself, since i seldom install testing versions. But i am sure there will be changes a long the way. The same as it was with KDE. 3.2 supposed to see the light around October i believe.

    Just like to add, that a) i was partly controversial and b) not everyone hates it.
    You run Linux and therefore you can run whatever your heart feels. With Gnome 3 and Unity we have two similar desktops and it will be interesting to see which one wins over more people. But its not a competition, its whatever people like to use.
    To me, Gnome 3 seems the right fit. So i speak of course for myself and no one else.

    Thank You
    this is exactly how understood your opening post.

    I don´t hate Gnome 3 and I also don´t hate unity. I just don´t get it or I am not part of the targeted audience.
    2 weeks ago I read on heise.de: "Unity: missed the targeted audience" which was an interesting read. In this article they wrote that Unity is intended by it´s developers to be for beginners, who do not have much experience with computers. But now, with all these keyboard shortcuts and so on, the professional user is taking over. Because they know how and love to work with keyboard shortcuts. Newbies don´t... So they missed the target - completely.
    I think the same goes for Gnome 3, the same article, with minor changes could be written about Gnome 3.

    Die Woche: Unity – an der Zielgruppe vorbei | heise open

    unfortunatly it is in german and no english translation is available.

    any opinions on that? Is Gnome 3 over the top regarding simplification? Is it so simplified that the normal or newbie user can not use it (because there is too much mouse involved) but the professional, familiar user, who knows the keyboard shortcuts is served perfectly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by steffen13 View Post
    this is exactly how understood your opening post.

    I don´t hate Gnome 3 and I also don´t hate unity. I just don´t get it or I am not part of the targeted audience.
    2 weeks ago I read on heise.de: "Unity: missed the targeted audience" which was an interesting read. In this article they wrote that Unity is intended by it´s developers to be for beginners, who do not have much experience with computers. But now, with all these keyboard shortcuts and so on, the professional user is taking over. Because they know how and love to work with keyboard shortcuts. Newbies don´t... So they missed the target - completely.
    I think the same goes for Gnome 3, the same article, with minor changes could be written about Gnome 3.

    Die Woche: Unity – an der Zielgruppe vorbei | heise open

    unfortunatly it is in german and no english translation is available.

    any opinions on that? Is Gnome 3 over the top regarding simplification? Is it so simplified that the normal or newbie user can not use it (because there is too much mouse involved) but the professional, familiar user, who knows the keyboard shortcuts is served perfectly?
    Gnome 3 got a much better review . Die Woche: Gnome 3 ist cool | heise open
    Of course, its german.

    Anyway, i think Unity aims in the same direction as Gnome does, but fails to deliver in some parts. That does not mean, that they can not do it. It takes just time.
    I like Gnome for its simplistic approach. There is of course the argument, that it takes freedom away, but it is in the eye of the beholder.
    KDE appeared to me always as a Windos version. I mean that not in a negativ way, but the design is just like that. Now with Plasma, that changed really. Plasma is a big benefit in my opinion.
    My wife was ok with Gnome (i forced her) so it passed the usebilty test.
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    A popular saying in my part of the world is: "Rome wasn't built in a single day", this to say... GNOME3 might not be up to everyone's expectations but it delivers quite a stable Desktop Environment (except for ATI owners who are unlucky with their manufacturer drivers). Another interesting thing is that most people think GNOME3 is GNOME Shell and while GNOME Shell is the most visible aspect of G3, it's rather a big mistake to take it as the whole. To be honest many of the changes introduced in GNOME3 are quite awesome, for example the new session management process which allows GDM to launch virtually any kind of session.

    While most KDE enthusiasts like to sharpen their teeth and strike at GNOME, they fail to understand that the maturity of the KDE4 series is completely different from GNOME3 maturity... and even then, KDE3 has still a strong user base which refused to go KDE4... I wonder if KDE4 is so great, why many users still are reluctant in updating to KDE4... I'm sure they have their reasons... But please lets try not to compare potatoes with garlic... it's not the same thing...

    For the initial release, GNOME3 was great, of course it lacks a lot of polishing which will be delivered in future versions, but at least it's somehow stable and usable, something that KDE4 failed to be when it was released... So to be fair, if we compare GNOME3 release with KDE4 release, GNOME is awesome! If we compare GNOME3 with Unity, it's awesome!

    I understand and I also have my own critics about GNOME3 and usability, but lets be honest... It's not the monster some people paint it... it requires a new learning curve and at some point more time for people to go along with it... it's completely fair that some people don't like the experience and have their own issues about the concept and designs of G3, but I don't believe anyone can say that GNOME3 doesn't have potential and it was a bogus release like KDE4 and Unity!

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    Well said, Ketheriel.
    You said it very well. I do like Gnome 3 and i don't mind to have not so many option like in KDE.

    The only complained i have, but thats not Gnome related really, are the graphics drivers. The first install the icons were bleached so i installed Nvidia drivers. But then the desktop froze on me. Now i am back to the Nouveau drivers and it works fine.

    Gnome itself is quick and i did not encountered any issues so far. But i only run it for 3 days so far. Kind of early to conclude.
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