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    Default Re: LibreOffice 3.4 for OpenSUSE 11.4

    On 08/11/2011 04:36 PM, loand wrote:

    > when I save .doc
    > files and open them in MS Office they get messed up, it's quite
    > disadvantage when I want keep my layout.


    News Flash: if you are waiting for the day that MS-Office perfectly
    opens LibreOffice files, or vice versa, to start smiling--i bet you have
    a long wait....a *very* long wait..

    because, the day (maybe week or month) that MS Office owners can easily
    dump their costly Office and go to LibreOffice, you should expect MS to
    'innovate' their file format, again..

    and again.

    they have been doing that since the '90s, so why expect their changing
    formatting to cease?

    after all, they _have_ a financial incentive to keep folks locked
    in...right?

    that is not MS-bashing, just history rehashing. ymmv

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    Default Re: LibreOffice 3.4 for OpenSUSE 11.4

    DenverD , all what you said makes sense and you killed last hope inside me :-)

    These incompability makes me use MS because so many people use it so i just have no choice...

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    Default Re: LibreOffice 3.4 for OpenSUSE 11.4

    I installed LibreOffice 3.4.2 on my OpenSUSE 11.4+KDE machine from the Index of /repositories/LibreOffice:/Unstable/openSUSE_11.4 repository yesterday with great success, after rebooting.

    It's nice to see the slightly new polishes on the project, and the new icons beginning to show up finally.

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    loand wrote:
    > DenverD , all what you said makes sense and you killed last hope inside
    > me :-)
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    > These incompability makes me use MS because so many people use it so i
    > just have no choice...


    Are you able to use .rtf instead of .doc? That's more reliable.

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    Are you able to use .rtf instead of .doc? That's more reliable.
    Yes have tried .rtf. Rtf in fact saves tables the way they ought look but text layout still gets messy...Like said before to get exactly the same files I need to use wine+Ms office.

    I will try new LO and maybe will see some improvements..

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    Quote Originally Posted by loand View Post
    .. when I save .doc files and open them in MS Office they get messed up, it's quite disadvantage when I want keep my layout.
    You have to understand that this problem is quite fundamental; .doc is not really a file format suitable for file interchange (unlike something like, say, .pdf, which has plenty of its own problems, but does tend to preserve formatting across machines) - it wasn't designed for that, and, even under ideal conditions, doesn't work all that well in that role.

    .doc files can get quite 'wobbly' with respect to formatting when the two machines have different fonts installed, use different printers with different border metrics, and, most obviously across different .doc versions. Under those circumstances, using a third party app, and expecting all the formatting to emerge intact is quite optimistic, but you may be able to shift the odds in your favour a bit by only using fonts that are available on each machine and having the same printer set up (and probably being careful about which version of .doc that you use...as the latest version, whatever that is, tends to be a bit less well debugged, going back a version may be a bit more likely to work; remember that these are essentially reverse engineered conversions, unassisted by the format's originator).

    Also, the 'Liberation' series of fonts are specifically designed to have font metrics that match the corresponding MS fonts, which has the potential to simplify matters somewhat, if font substitution is set up correctly (although, don't ask me about the detail of how to do that, particularly on the MS end - I don't really have the exposure to MS, these days to need this all that often).

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    Default Re: LibreOffice 3.4 for OpenSUSE 11.4

    On 08/11/2011 06:16 PM, kahu wrote:
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    > 'Index of /repositories/LibreOffice:/Unstable/openSUSE_11.4'


    is it, as the name suggests "Unstable"?

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    Default Re: LibreOffice 3.4 for OpenSUSE 11.4

    On 08/11/2011 06:46 PM, loand wrote:
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    > Like said before to get exactly the same files I need to use wine+Ms office.


    enjoy the nose ring, how much does one cost these days?

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    Default Re: LibreOffice 3.4 for OpenSUSE 11.4

    On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 05:56:03 +0000, eng-int wrote:

    > Why do some posters deliberately obfuscate links with e.g tinyurl and
    > bit.ly? It is not very friendly.


    The forums default to using tinyurl in some circumstances. You can avoid
    potential malware links by going to:

    http://www.tinyurl.com

    And click "Preview Feature" in the left-hand bar and enable previews.
    Then the site won't redirect you automatically to the redirected site,
    but to a page on tinyurl.com that shows you the expanded URL.

    Jim

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    Default Re: link obfuscation - was Re: LibreOffice 3.4 for OpenSUSE 11.4

    On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 10:06:43 +0000, Dave Howorth wrote:

    > eng-int wrote:
    >> Why do some posters deliberately obfuscate links with e.g tinyurl and
    >> bit.ly? It is not very friendly. It's useful to be able to read and
    >> make sense of a link before or instead of clicking. This sort of
    >> obfuscation is associated with malware and the URLs are blocked from my
    >> more security conscious customers' sites.

    >
    > +1
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    > Does it also make it more likely the article will be highly page-ranked?
    > i.e. How do the search engines deal with links via bit.ly et al?


    See my reply to the OP regarding previews through tinyurl. Those that
    come from bit.ly are people's own choice AFAIK, the forum only uses
    tinyurl in some situations, and you can force tinyurl.com to use its
    preview page, which will show you the URL without automatically
    redirecting to it.

    No idea how PageRank deals with tinyurl links. You'd probably have to
    ask Google about that.

    Jim



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