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    Default Question about the deal with Microsoft

    Hello everybody,

    I am a former Suse user. I am currently looking for a distro now that Mandriva went South. I would like to come back but before I do I need to know if Attachmate still has the deal with Microsoft in place. I know it expired at some point and then it was renewed but I don't know if it expired again. If it didn't expire, does anyone know when it will expire and what are Attachmate's plans regarding renewal?
    I would also like to know how easy it is to install Suse without Mono.
    I know the Microsoft deal does not cover OpenSuse, it's just for entreprise, but for me it is a matter of principle.

    Thanks,
    Me

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    Default Re: Question about the deal with Microsoft

    You can read about it here in an April Novell news release: Novell Completes Merger with Attachmate and Patent Sale to CPTN Holdings LLC

    One does not need mono installed with openSUSE. If you select the advanced user options during openSUSE DVD installation you can pick and choose your software (albeit do so with caution).

    What principle are you referring to ?

    If principle is a big consideration, then maybe the distributions on this URL here may be more to your liking ? http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html ... as every major Linux distribution has compromises wrt Free open source software: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/common-distros.html
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    Default Re: Question about the deal with Microsoft

    Quote Originally Posted by any_user View Post
    ... but before I do I need to know if Attachmate still has the deal with Microsoft in place. I know it expired at some point and then it was renewed but I don't know if it expired again. If it didn't expire, does anyone know when it will expire and what are Attachmate's plans regarding renewal?
    If you google on this you can learn a lot


    In essence,
    Microsoft, with the help of its partners, Apple, EMC, and Oracle, in the CPTN Group has not, though, actually bought Novell’s patents as most people would understand the word “bought.” Instead, CPTN was forced, by the U.S. Department of Justice and the German Federal Cartel Office to re-sell the patents back to Attachmate. In return, the CPTN gets licensing rights to use the patents.
    ... ie Attachmate still owns the patents but CPTN has licence to use them.

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    Default Re: Question about the deal with Microsoft

    On 2011-05-19 23:36, any user wrote:

    > does anyone know when it will expire
    > and what are Attachmate's plans regarding renewal?


    Little is known yet about their plans.

    > I would also like to know how easy it is to install Suse without Mono.


    I haven't tried, nor do I care >:-P


    On the other hand, this subject is off-topic in this sub-forum. Please move it.


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    Default Re: Question about the deal with Microsoft

    Quote Originally Posted by robin_listas View Post
    On the other hand, this subject is off-topic in this sub-forum. Please move it.
    +1 .............

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    Default Re: Question about the deal with Microsoft

    Thank you for your replies,

    There seems to be a misunderstanding and it's my fault. I was not talking about the recent deal that sold Novell's patents to Microsoft. While I don't like the fact that Microsoft got the patents, I understand the economics behind it. I was talking about the deal that Novell made with Microsoft in November 2006. That patent cooperation agreement helped legitimize Microsoft's claim that Linux infringes some of its patents. I know Novell did a lot of good things too, but I just can't use Suse as long as that deal is still in place. By the way, I love Attachmate's decision to get rid of the Mono project. I also like the community's decision to make KDE the default desktop.
    As for proprietary software I have no problem using it (for example my favorite browser is Opera).

    Cheers,
    Me

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    Default Re: Question about the deal with Microsoft

    Quote Originally Posted by any_user View Post
    I was talking about the deal that Novell made with Microsoft in November 2006.
    Read here for information on that: Microsoft and Novell Collaborate - FAQ

    ...and here for a summary of MANY articles/new-releases: http://www.novell.com/linux/microsoft/

    Quote Originally Posted by any_user View Post
    That patent cooperation agreement helped legitimize Microsoft's claim that Linux infringes some of its patents.
    I think you will find even Novell would dispute that statement that you claim is attributable to a Novell agreement with Microsoft.

    Quote Originally Posted by any_user View Post
    As for proprietary software I have no problem using it (for example my favorite browser is Opera).
    IMHO proprietary software is a matter more worth hanging on principle than the misinformation surrounding the Novell agreement with Microsoft, which was not about any GNU/Linux patents.

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    @oldcpu
    Thank you for the links. I have read all that stuff but I still don't know if that deal has expired or not. Is Attachmate a subject of that deal?
    IMHO proprietary software is a matter more worth hanging on principle than the misinformation surrounding the Novell agreement with Microsoft ...
    Maybe I am weird, but for me it is very important that the platforms are open source and open standards. What runs on top of them (open source or proprietary) it is less important. I still prefer open source applications, it's just not that important.
    ... the Novell agreement with Microsoft, which was not about any GNU/Linux patents.
    I don't agree with that. Let me quote from the article you have linked in your previous post:
    The patent agreement covers everything from openSUSE.org that is included in past and current Novell supported versions of SUSE Linux Enterprise Server and SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop.
    Anyway, I don't want to talk about that deal in detail, I just need to know if it ended or not.

    Cheers,
    Me

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    Default Re: Question about the deal with Microsoft

    On 2011-05-20 14:36, any user wrote:
    > Anyway, I don't want to talk about that deal in detail, I just need to
    > know if it ended or not.


    Not here. Move this question to the proper forum.

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    Default Re: Question about the deal with Microsoft

    @robin_listas

    Yes, you already mentioned that. Do you have anything useful to say?

    @moderatos

    I don't know how to move this thread elsewhere and I don't know which section is appropriate for this thread. This section seemed the most appropriate to me. Please feel free to move it anywhere you want.

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