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    Default Turns out that not everyone loves openSUSE...

    Source.

    This should be something to take seriously. I personally like openSUSE, but there are a lot of criticisms raised in that topic, such as (the validity of these claims may be disputable, but the point is that many are unhappy with the distro):

    • YaST overwrites any previous manual configurations
    • The distro is bloated
    • Zypper has issues with keeping packages up-to-date cross-repository
    • The font rendering is bad
    • Firefox is slower than on Ubuntu
    • Big, clunky, and slow overall


    I personally haven't run into any of these issues, although I can't speak much to comparison-based complaints (more bloated, slower programs, etc.). If these are valid complaints, though, then they should be fixed as soon as they can.

    Overall (to that community at least, but it's a fairly large one and probably not unique in its opinions), it seems like openSUSE lacks a big draw. The sentiment is that YaST is unnecessary and buggy, and without YaST there's nothing to differentiate it. Fedora is leaner, Debian is considered more stable, and Ubuntu the undisputed king of user-friendliness.

    Any thoughts? Ideas?

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    Default Re: Turns out that not everyone loves openSUSE...

    Been using Opensuse/Suse since 2000; it's great. If others do not like it, maybe they are just stupid?

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    So I am not sure what that discussion proves or if it is some how required that everyone likes openSUSE. In general, no matter the software or operating system, you will have people that like it and people that do not. Most people that don't like it had a bad experience somewhere down the line and those that think it is great had a good experience more often than not. People that do well with openSUSE have invested enough time to not only get what they want to work, but actually have the Linux OS exceed everything else they have tried. While those that never spent enough time to get past the problems they experienced seldom give it a second chance.

    As hardware continues ever marching forward, you will likly run into something made for Windows that does not work with openSUSE. Long ago I decided I would buy hardware intended or known to work with Linux and in all likelihood it would still work with Windows if it needed to. For me, openSUSE made the grade at version 10.0 when it was the first distro I got to boot and work from an external hard drive paired with my work supplied Dell laptop. I was working out of town and for very unusual reasons, bored to death at night. This gave me the time to start working with several Linux distros and finally settling on SuSE. I have stuck with openSUSE and learned a very lot about openSUSE in this very forum. I don't begrudge any other Linux distro and wish them well. It is the diversity in Linux that makes it great in my opinion.

    If someone asks the best Linux distribution I tell them I think it is openSUSE and it does not matter really what anyone else might think.

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    Default Re: Turns out that not everyone loves openSUSE...

    While I sympathise with your desire to see openSUSE get better, unfortunately a post like this is like a call for world peace. Ok maybe not that general, but what I mean is it's lacking in details. The only way openSUSE can get better is when users submit bug reports, feature requests to discuss, experiment and suggest improvements to developers.

    So if you have any personal experiences that you think could be improved, post away. Otherwise it's just chit-chat.

    Also there's no need to be best in everything. openSUSE is good for my personal use, but for various other reasons, I will use other distros where they are more appropriate. But being based on Linux, a lot of my knowledge carries over. This diversity but common heritage is a strength.

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    Default Re: Turns out that not everyone loves openSUSE...

    YaST overwrites any previous manual configurations
    This is a classic. I use openSUSE since version 10.0 and YaST never ever overwrote what I have set elsewhere unless I told him to do so. As I said, it's a classic I have read many times, yet my own experience is different. I am not even sure whether this was ever true.

    The distro is bloated
    I am not sure what people mean by the term 'bloated'. YaST offers uninstalling packages during the initial install, which works quite easy as it offers to choose patterns. If you do not like a default choice, just change it.

    Zypper has issues with keeping packages up-to-date cross-repository
    When using multiple repositories one has to understand the concept of either switching packages to one repository or setting priorities for each repo (preferably both). If one does not, packages will only be managed by the original repository, even when other repositories offer more current versions.

    The font rendering is bad
    Not here (what can I say?).

    Firefox is slower than on Ubuntu
    This is as random as the last one - I don't see a reason why it should. openSUSE uses the same Firefox as every other distro.

    Big, clunky, and slow overall
    But... how? :-)

    I have used and tested some other distributions next to openSUSE, and the only thing I noticed that was slower was the package management, which indeed was a nightmare - but that changed with the introduction of zypper, which matured in openSUSE 11.0 (I think). But beside that...

    Also I do not see a reason to panic about this thread; most negative comments come from users who have used SuSE years ago (they mention version 9.0 or the time when S.u.S.E. was only available via a commercial box-version), plus there are many positive comments as well. That's pretty common, isn't it? Browse through this forum and read some of the comments about Ubuntu, one would think it's the devil itself. :-)

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    Default Re: Turns out that not everyone loves openSUSE...

    I guess I made this post to help clarify some of what was written, in particular to see if anyone had experienced something similar.

    My hope is that some of what they're talking about is founded in something that can be identified and fixed. If so, it would be a great opportunity to fix it; if not, I'm not sure. Maybe run some tests to get some concrete data rather than conjecture?

    It's good to keep an open mind about potential problems and flaws, lest one be overtaken by rabid fanboyism. =P

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    Default Re: Turns out that not everyone loves openSUSE...

    Quote Originally Posted by kog13 View Post
    Maybe run some tests to get some concrete data rather than conjecture?
    Sure, be our guest and post your findings.

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    Default Re: Turns out that not everyone loves openSUSE...

    • YaST overwrites any previous manual configurations

    Haven't seen this really. One thing i do know is, that not all adjustments made in Yast are written in the config (aka printer).

    • The distro is bloated

    This is a bold statement. Some people complain for the same reason about KDE. How can measure anyone anyway what is bloated. The same goes to other OS's too. But with more features build in, bigger code its getting bigger. Thats just the way it is. I think faster it would only go if one writes it in assembler.


    • Zypper has issues with keeping packages up-to-date cross-repository

    Not sure.. Haven't tracked it.

    • The font rendering is bad

    The fonts given in default are not the greatest. Well, free.
    I noticed that they look somewhat bad if you go to bigger pixels. I usually change to non free fonts.

    • Firefox is slower than on Ubuntu

    There are people sitting in front of machines and measure something like this with a watch? How many seconds is the difference?

    • Big, clunky, and slow overall

    Mm... its big alright. But it looks modern to me and slow it is not. At least on my machine.
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    Default Re: Turns out that not everyone loves openSUSE...

    Quote Originally Posted by ken_yap View Post
    Sure, be our guest and post your findings.
    I was considering it, but I'm not sure how best to go about it. The easiest way would be to just set up two virtual machines, one with openSUSE and one with another distro, and do comparisons that way. I don't really want to have to re-partition my hard drive to squeeze in another distro. =)

    If anyone has any suggestions on this sort of thing, let me know. I may just look into it.

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    Default Re: Turns out that not everyone loves openSUSE...

    On Thu, 19 May 2011 01:36:02 +0000, kog13 wrote:

    > Any thoughts? Ideas?


    You can't please everyone.

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