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    Default The organization of Applications & subcatagories

    On my OpenSuse 11.3 Gnome 32 bit version; my applications are organized in a much finer detail, than my OpenSuse 11.4 Gnome 64 bit.
    For example in 11.3, when I got to Applications/Multimedia.
    I have a choice of Audio player/Cd burner/Media editing/Video player/Volume control.and then each application is in their respective categories.

    On my OpenSuse 11.4, I have the same applications as the 11.3 32 bit system, but my organization is different. It is not as organized.
    For example if I got to Applications/Multimedia I have no subcategories just a long list of applications

    Any ideas on how to get this organized as 11.3 did it? I'm not even sure how on 11.3 it organized it like this.
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    I do not use Gnome but I have one standard menu setup in /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu and one for KDE in /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu.kde4. You might have a special menu for your Gnome. Compare these files on both your systems.

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    You will find a workaround in this thread: Traditional menu broken in 11.4

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    On 2011-05-13 23:06, the Dude abides wrote:
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    > On my OpenSuse 11.3 Gnome 32 bit version; my applications are organized
    > in a much finer detail, than my OpenSuse 11.4 Gnome 64 bit.
    > For example in 11.3, when I got to Applications/Multimedia.
    > I have a choice of Audio player/Cd burner/Media editing/Video
    > player/Volume control.and then each application is in their respective
    > categories.


    >
    > On my OpenSuse 11.4, I have the same applications as the 11.3 32 bit
    > system, but my organization is different. It is not as organized.


    Create a Bugzilla on usability. Add photos.

    Or vote for mine.

    See thread "Traditional menu broken in 11.4"

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    I did as you suggested in Traditional menu broken in 11.4
    Either set XDG_MENU_PREFIX to an empty string in your xinitrc or Xsession file, or switch the menu files, or define your own XDG_CONFIG_DIRS, put your applications.menu there and do what you want.
    It worked for me to set XDG_MENU_PREFIX to an empty string
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    On 2011-05-14 01:36, the Dude abides wrote:
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    > I did as you suggested in 'Traditional menu broken in 11.4'
    > (http://tinyurl.com/3vpsgbk)
    >> Either set XDG_MENU_PREFIX to an empty string in your xinitrc or
    >> Xsession file, or switch the menu files, or define your own
    >> XDG_CONFIG_DIRS, put your applications.menu there and do what you want.

    > It worked for me to set XDG_MENU_PREFIX to an empty string


    Then, Please, add a comment on the Bugzilla stating that you too do not
    like the current status. The developers insist that the flat menu is best,
    they are not going to move a finger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robin_listas View Post
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    Then, Please, add a comment on the Bugzilla stating that you too do not
    like the current status. The developers insist that the flat menu is best,
    they are not going to move a finger.
    Carlos, you admitted that it wasn't a bug but a decison (I read your bug report). In fact, the guy is right that it doesn't work with Gnome3, but it doesn't hurt either. The gnome-shell simply ignores submenus, although they still work in fallback mode. The new desktop will look like a cellphone - whether we like it or not. What else do you expect from the facebook/iphone generation of programmers? Take a look of the Gnome3 presentation (GNOME 3 - Made of Easy) ! - well ... maybe not today!

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    On 2011-05-14 15:06, please try again wrote:
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    > robin_listas;2339570 Wrote:
    >> O
    >> Then, Please, add a comment on the Bugzilla stating that you too do
    >> not like the current status. The developers insist that the flat menu is
    >> best, they are not going to move a finger.
    >>

    >
    > Carlos, you admitted that it wasn't a bug but a decison (I read your
    > bug report).


    Which is valid for a Bugzilla. It is not the first time, and there is no
    other avenue to complain officially of "decisions".

    > In fact, the guy is right that it doesn't work with Gnome3,
    > but it doesn't hurt either. The gnome-shell simply ignores submenus,
    > although they still work in fallback mode. The new desktop will look
    > like a cellphone - whether we like it or not. What else do you expect
    > from the facebook/iphone generation of programmers? Take a look of the
    > Gnome3 presentation ('GNOME 3 - Made of Easy' (http://www.gnome3.org/))
    > ! - well ... maybe not today!


    My report is not about gnome 3, which is about a year off, but about gnome
    2. And anyway, I understand we will be able to work in the traditional
    mode, they do not intend to break old applications.

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    I'm trying to respond in the best way, but I don't understand, because as please_try_again said
    Carlos, you admitted that it wasn't a bug but a decison (I read your bug report). In fact, the guy is right that it doesn't work with Gnome3, but it doesn't hurt either. The gnome-shell simply ignores submenus, although they still work in fallback mode. The new desktop will look like a cellphone - whether we like it or not. What else do you expect from the facebook/iphone generation of programmers?
    Which gets me to believe I should not respond to complain since it is not a bug. But I agree I really appreciate the organization one has with the subcategories.

    What is the best approach for the newest distribution that comes out in the future, since I like the old organization? Is there a way to be able to change the default settings to have subcategories in Gnome 3? (On both my computers I am still running Gnome 2).
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_Dude_abides View Post
    What is the best approach for the newest distribution that comes out in the future, since I like the old organization? Is there a way to be able to change the default settings to have subcategories in Gnome 3? (On both my computers I am still running Gnome 2).
    I always organize my own menus by redefining XDG_CONFIG_DIRS and XDG_DATA_DIRS, so any freedesktop compliant environment such as KDE, Gnome, Xfce, LXDE reads the menu in an alternate path rather /etc/xdg/menus and uses the deskop and directories files in /usr/local/share/applications and /usr/local/share/directories instead of the ones installed in /usr/share/applications and /usr/share/directories.

    I too use Gnome2 in all openSUSE machines, but I got Gnome3 on ArchLinux in a recent update. I think it will be in Fedora to be released in a couple days. So I will have to cope with it (or maybe retire).

    As I previously mentionned, submenus are still handled (yet) in Gnome3 fallback mode (picture1) but are ignored in gnome-shell mode (picture2). The preferred way to start applications is now to type their name in the searchbox (picture3). The screenshots were taken on ArchLinux but I doubt it will be very different on openSUSE.

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