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    How i can install OpenSuse 11.2 and 11.3 (in future) with KDE 3 ?
    KDE 4 is ****, witch using lot of PC recourses unnecessary.
    Please give back option to choose between KDE3 and KDE4.
    Otherwise, when 11.1 support will run out i will need to start use other Linux distro.

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    There are no plans to go backwards and support KDE3 as a primary desktop. My suggestion is to do like I did and install KDE 4 and learn to shape it to work similar to KDE 3. For instance. The first thing I do is to right click on the desktop and change it to "Folder View". Second, I have found the newer the version of KDE 4 that you can install, the more that all aspects of the desktop will work properly together.

    Finally, you do not have to get rid of all of your KDE 3 applications. Many work just fine under KDE 4. For instance, I still use Kaffeine from KDE 3, something you can easily do by adding in a couple of KDE 3 Software Repositories. Kaffeine from KDE 3 properly supports spdif pass-through for Dolby Digital 5.1 and has several features not included in the latest Kaffeine version that comes with KDE 4. Further, I still love the old KPOKER and the KDE 3 Matrix screen saver. All of which work just fine under KDE 4.

    While you may find a way to get KDE 3 to work as your main desktop in openSUSE 11.2 or 11.3, it will never get primary support again under openSUSE. Stop swimming upstream and switch to KDE 4. You can have your cake (KDE 3 applications) and eat it too under openSUSE 11.2 and KDE 4.

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    And I might also add, it's not just openSUSE, all the major distros have moved. It's KDE that's pushing the change, because they cannot afford to spread developers across two platforms.

    If you really cannot live without KDE3, there are some retro distro efforts, you have to seek them out. It's open source, and anybody is free to continue to support KDE3 on their own or in a group of like-minded people. But the die is cast, there is no going back, not for KDE, nor for openSUSE, nor for the other mainstream distros.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grigorsnormunds View Post
    How i can install OpenSuse 11.2 and 11.3 (in future) with KDE 3 ?
    KDE 4 is ****, witch using lot of PC recourses unnecessary.
    Please give back option to choose between KDE3 and KDE4.
    Otherwise, when 11.1 support will run out i will need to start use other Linux distro.
    To install KDE3 on OpenSUSE 11.2 just click this link: http://software.opensuse.org/ymp/KDE...e3-session.ymp

    Then exit KDE4 or Gnome session and select KDE3 on the logon screen.

    For other release just go to Software.openSUSE.org , select your release and search for kdebase3-session package (which is needed to start a KDE3 session). I recommend to install it from KDE:KDE3 repository, because this repo has the most complete set of KDE3 applications, but kdebase3-session in 11.3 will be also available from the official repository (unlike 11.2).

    OpenSUSE is one of a few distributions which unlike many others still keep KDE3 available, so guys please do not misinform the topicstarter.

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    KD3 is clean, simple, stable, fast and easy to configure. KDE 4 is an abomination. I have been using, programming and supporting computers and networks for nearly 40 years. Everything from VMS to OS/2 to Mac to Windows to Unix and Linux. KDE 4 is one of the most non intuitive and user unfriendly interfaces I have ever experienced. KDE4 is slow, buggy and, still as of 4.3.5, missing some of the most elementary and necessary user configuration abilities. It would appear to be written by people who have no interest in capturing a broader audience for Linux. It is almost exclusionary in that only those who are free to spend an inordinate amount of time investigating its convoluted workings, or who are part of its development effort will be able to fully realize its capabilities. This is not to say that KDE4 is not a superior exercise in programming expertise. The problem is it is an utter failure in the drive to provide a vehicle that enables a computer user to get real work done with a minimum expenditure of extra time and effort. Compared to KDE4, the Windows GUI is a model of user friendliness.

    I am currently running Suse 11.1 with KDE3.5 as my interface. In order to use updated (bug fixed) versions of essential programs, I had to install KDE 4.3.5, which disabled KDE 3.5 by design. I then had to go back and reinstall kdebase3-session in order to get my KDE3 back. Sadly, KDE4.3.5 breaks KDE3s sound system (The sound drivers do still work. I can test them in Yast. However, applications that go through KDE, and KDE3 itself, have no sound)

    I installed Suse 11.2 and tried to get used to it, but dumped it after a few days of failing to get it to behave as I needed. Yesterday I downloaded and installed the Suse 11.3 Milestone 7 code. The KDE 4 in that release is no better than earlier versions. If Suse is actually going to offer, and support, 11.3 with KDE3 then my hats off to them. I'll be watching for that to happen with baited breath.

    The obvious solution to this is for the KDE developers to come to their senses and build a KDE3 style interface onto the KDE4 underlying platform. It is obviously possible, as KDE4 apps run just fine on my system through the KDE3 GUI. They need to quit trying to mesmerize us with their imaginative creativity and imagery and get back to building a reliable, stable and user friendly environment.

    After all, it isn't about them (programmers), it's about us (users).

    A good analogy to all this is attending a music concert and having a horrible sonic experience because the mixing engineer happens to be deaf above 5kHz from spending too many years listening to deafening guitar licks, and only cares for what sounds good to HIM. The house can empty out while under his breath he's calling every one that leaves a "butt" (or worse) because they don't appreciate his great work!

    WE are the audience! If you (KDE programmer) want kudos, money, extra Coke and dough-nuts, or any other perks that society bestows on those who are able to make life better, you have to pay attention to us and stop feeding your ego!

    To those who say "KDE4 is the future, so shut up and get used to it": ....You can go sit in the corner and play with your Amigas.... The future belongs to the people who provide cost effective and user friendly solutions, not to the ones who are more proud of their own "chops" than their ability to enable others to use theirs.

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    Good luck with that.

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    Just a quick addendum:
    Got my sound back. Somehow in the juggling between KDE4 and KDE3, Suse picked up a requirement that a user who wanted sound function must be a member of the "audio" group. (A big thanks to another member of the Suse Forums whose post led me to the fix!) I've never had to do this before, but adding the audio group to my user name and re logging in restored access to my audio devices.

    For now, at least, I'm a completely happy Suse 11.1 camper. As far as I can tell so far, while having the KDE3.5 GUI in place, I have executable support for KDE4.3.5 level applications!

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    You can safely upgrade to 11.2. BTW, I have sound in KDE3 even without being myself in audio. Maybe this is fixed in 11.2.

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    At the risk of all: KDE4 is not buggy, it sure is not an abomination.

    KDE4 is what allows you to run KDE4 apps under KDE3 (take a look at the libs installed)
    The devs at kde.org took good care of the fact that users would want to run their favorite KDE3 apps under KDE4 and v.v. Which works very well on all my systems, and the ones I manage.
    You won't hear me say: get used to it. The one thing I can say is: Use what you like, let others use what they like.

    And, if you seriously want to test KDE4 for it's merits and disadvantages, do so on a clean user account.
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    Thank You, Ansus, for Your clear statement in favour of KDE3.
    I am working on 2 laptops -one with o.S.11.1,the other one with 11.2- all with gnome and
    KDE3. So whenever I thought to spend time replacing KDE3 by a KDE4 version I was able to return to gnome and to eventually reinstall KDE3 either with zypper or Yast.
    As of now I didn't encounter sound problems.
    EK

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