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    Default Here is a question I always wanted to ask

    Why do all KDE4 distributions look the exact same way by default?
    I am serious here, I have one big issue with KDE4 based distros and its the fact they all come with the exact same basic default scheme:
    The oxygen theme
    The oxygen color scheme
    The oxygen icon theme

    I never really got this, sure most KDE4 distros do use different panel configurations, and make them fit that distros goal.
    Look at the initial differences between the default PCLinux setup:


    The Kubuntu default desktop:


    And the one we are all familiar with, the openSUSE desktop.

    All have different setups here and there, but the thing they have in common:
    all use the default theme of KDE4

    I know one of you will say "but you can always change the theme" , well yes you can but this has always bugged me about kde based distros.

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    Imagine what would happen if Linux distros had different default themes - what would one understand by a "default" theme? It would be kinda messy to search the Internet for a specific "default" theme.

    And sometimes you might encounter something like: KDE default theme problem. (Page 1) / Eee PC Default Xandros Linux / EeeUser Forum

    ...which is not really pleasant.

    And, of course, it might have something to do with the GNU project.

    More...it's up to you, not to the developers, to set the preferences. Why should each distro have a different theme? They give you a 'hint' (the 'default' theme) which should be the same for most of the distros (because they all are Linux and use KDE), but they do not impose to you the 'absolute' theme. The sense of community is completely lost if they start changing even the 'default' features of the applications, which are not even so important as you think.

    Cheers!

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    Default Re: Here is a question I always wanted to ask

    I think this question can only be answered by the packagers responsible for
    the KDE packages. So you should ask them separately at Ubuntu, Debian, Mint,
    openSUSE ... on their mailing lists or whatever medium they prefer.
    This is not sarcastic!

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    riderplus wrote:
    > And, of course, it might have something to do with the GNU project.
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    KDE is no GNU project and never was one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by martin_helm View Post
    riderplus wrote:
    > And, of course, it might have something to do with the GNU project.
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    KDE is no GNU project and never was one.

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    I wasn't talking of KDE in particular, but of Linux in general. This is not sarcastic either.

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    riderplus wrote:

    > I wasn't talking of KDE in particular, but of Linux in general. This is
    > not sarcastic either.
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    The way you wrote it gave me the impression it is about KDE. In fact nothing
    stops anyone who makes a distro to choose whatever they like as a default or
    even to create their own customized shiny new default KDE theme.

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    Default Re: Here is a question I always wanted to ask

    Quote Originally Posted by martin_helm View Post
    riderplus wrote:

    > I wasn't talking of KDE in particular, but of Linux in general. This is
    > not sarcastic either.
    >

    The way you wrote it gave me the impression it is about KDE. In fact nothing
    stops anyone who makes a distro to choose whatever they like as a default or
    even to create their own customized shiny new default KDE theme.

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    I didn't mean to say anything else. Nor did I want to sound sarcastic.

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    Default Re: Here is a question I always wanted to ask

    I cannot remember seeing the KDE default screen for years because my settings carry over with each fresh install.

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    Quote Originally Posted by riderplus View Post
    Imagine what would happen if Linux distros had different default themes - what would one understand by a "default" theme? It would be kinda messy to search the Internet for a specific "default" theme.

    And sometimes you might encounter something like: KDE default theme problem. (Page 1) / Eee PC Default Xandros Linux / EeeUser Forum

    ...which is not really pleasant.

    And, of course, it might have something to do with the GNU project.

    More...it's up to you, not to the developers, to set the preferences. Why should each distro have a different theme? They give you a 'hint' (the 'default' theme) which should be the same for most of the distros (because they all are Linux and use KDE), but they do not impose to you the 'absolute' theme. The sense of community is completely lost if they start changing even the 'default' features of the applications, which are not even so important as you think.
    Heres the thing, most distros do have their own theme if they dont use KDE.
    Most distributions that come with Gnome2 for example look completely different then eachother.
    Ubuntu looks completely different then openSUSE, Linux Mint and fedora when you use the gnome desktop.
    Heck even the upcomming lxde is getting different themes on certain distros, look how nice the new lubuntu does by default.
    There are screenshots of it at omg ubuntu I linked to here as the main lubuntu site seems down.

    For me the new lubuntu is kind of a beauty.

    I also remember back to the kde3 days when distros used to come with a custom kde3, now with kde4 they all look the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DancingmadRB3 View Post
    Why do all KDE4 distributions look the exact same way by default?
    I am serious here, I have one big issue with KDE4 based distros and its the fact they all come with the exact same basic default scheme:
    The oxygen theme
    The oxygen color scheme
    The oxygen icon theme

    I never really got this, sure most KDE4 distros do use different panel configurations, and make them fit that distros goal.
    Look at the initial differences between the default PCLinux setup:


    The Kubuntu default desktop:


    And the one we are all familiar with, the openSUSE desktop.

    All have different setups here and there, but the thing they have in common:
    all use the default theme of KDE4

    I know one of you will say "but you can always change the theme" , well yes you can but this has always bugged me about kde based distros.
    I assume it is, because in standard mode it looks best.
    Take the fonts for example. Any other font might not look as good anymore. I noticed that some fonts look only good in the preview.
    I am ok with the default since it looks, good.
    But i think i know where you coming from. The nice little touches that distinguish the distribution from one another.
    Every distro has firefox loaded, even though i like Opera right now more.
    But i think it is indeed best, to be a member and vote on such things. I don't see how it will change for worst or better.
    +++ ATH0

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