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    Default Why I have switched to openSUSE from Windows and Ubuntu

    Hello folks, I am new here but I am definitely no stranger to Linux.
    I have used it off and on for a few years now but I go back to it often.
    Anyhow here is my current beef:

    Firstly I will place this on the table:

    Windows without a shadow of a doubt sucks, seriously Windows 7 is a joke.
    I have never had an OS crash on me so many times, not even Vista or XP!
    Sure Vusta was horrible too but it served me somewhat well, Windows 7 has to be the biggest joke in OS history.
    Sure buy a PC and Windows 7 works okay but build your own computer and all hell break loose.
    Really Windows 7 is a mess, a unreliable, unstable hunk of junk that I never intend on installing again.

    But then I have to say this about my other OS that I have used Ubuntu:

    Actually Ubuntu is actually pretty darned good, its usually fairly stable on my machine and I do not have too many complaints about it.
    Except the current development of both Gnome and Unity.

    First on unity, well Unity actually is not that bad, its okay I guess but it still leaves a lot to be desired...
    I cant customize it to suit my needs, I cant tweak it to operate how I want...
    Believe it or not I sort of like the windows layout and I have used it even on Ubuntu once I figured on how to tweak it to look more like windows.
    While I am willing to get used to new interfaces Unity is note entirely to my liking.
    its something built more for a touchscreen not a desktop or traditional laptop, but its menus are hard to navigate for me.
    I did install AWN on it but its still too new.
    And Ubuntu will be killing off the old Gnome interface in 11.10, I really dont like that idea and honestly Ubuntus's decision to use Unity this soon is a bad idea.
    Its far too new, and thus still needs major work for me to use it.
    I might go back to ubuntu someday but not anytime within the next year or so.

    Then there is the case of gnome 3/gnome shell...
    And well...

    IT SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    WHAT A MISERABLE PIECE OF **** IT IS, I MEAN MY GOD HOW MORE HORRIBLE CAN YOU GET?
    WHAT IN THE FLYING HECK WERE THEY THINKING!!!!!!


    Sorry about that, but seriously there is no way to customize it, no way to tweak it, no way to make it suit your needs...
    Gnome 3 was cobbled together by idiots, plain and simple, the fact you cant shut down the OS without having to go back to the login screen is plainly and simply idiotic.

    So that brings me to openSUSE:

    While I could stay with ubuntu 10.10 until its EOL, the thing is that the new direction Ubuntu is going seems ignorant of those who just want their OS to work.
    Dont experiment on something and force it on the end user, they could easily keep Gnome 2 going until its fully killed off by the idiocy that is Gnome 3.
    Now I have used openSUSE in the past and while I still dont like KDE4 compared to KDE3 at least I can tweak it and make it look the way I want it.
    Sure I still have issues with plasma crashes and KDE4's unstability but at least its mostly workable.
    openSUSE is perhaps the best KDE distro out there (though the one on PCLinux and Mandriva is pretty good too) and I can get used to some of the issues I have faced with openSUSE.

    As for the issues I have faced with openSUSE in case you are wondering:

    KDE crashes
    Firefox crashes
    Packagekit crashes
    Yast crashes

    Two of those are atypical, firefox is really unstable for me these days and KDE4 has always been a stability mess in my opinion so no faults there,
    But I have had issues with Yast and Packagekit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DancingmadRB3 View Post
    Then there is the case of gnome 3/gnome shell...
    And well...

    IT SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    WHAT A MISERABLE PIECE OF **** IT IS, I MEAN MY GOD HOW MORE HORRIBLE CAN YOU GET?
    WHAT IN THE FLYING HECK WERE THEY THINKING!!!!!!
    Hi
    I'm running Gnome 3.0 on my netbook, working fine sofar, now I did a fresh install from the fcrozat version. Installing the gnome-tweak-tool gives some more configuration tweaks, but as a first off look I'm a happy camper, once the Gnome 3.0 repository is released it should be a great alternative.
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    > Now I have used openSUSE in the past and while I still dont like KDE4
    > compared to KDE3 at least I can tweak it and make it look the way *-I-*
    > want it.


    Personally, I think KDE is too ambitious.

    Did you try Xubuntu or other Ubuntu derivatives?

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    Default Re: Why I have switched to openSUSE from Windows and Ubuntu

    Quote Originally Posted by malcolmlewis View Post
    Hi
    I'm running Gnome 3.0 on my netbook, working fine sofar, now I did a fresh install from the fcrozat version. Installing the gnome-tweak-tool gives some more configuration tweaks, but as a first off look I'm a happy camper, once the Gnome 3.0 repository is released it should be a great alternative.
    Gnome tweak tool is too primitive and limited, its not nearly as diverse as what you could do on Gnome 2 or KDE

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    Quote Originally Posted by DancingmadRB3 View Post
    Two of those are atypical, firefox is really unstable for me these days and KDE4 has always been a stability mess in my opinion so no faults there,
    But I have had issues with Yast and Packagekit.
    I've had crashes on 11.4 with KDE that I haven't experienced on 11.3 or 11.2. Many of those have been transient or recovered with just a logoff, and have happened using non-KDE multimedia apps (e.g. Flash, VLC). Having said that, most of the Flash related freezes were triggered by KDE's power management dimming the display. More of those problems have been on an installation upgraded from 11.3, compared to a new/clean 11.4 installation. That's not unexpected, but it's not good enough for an upgrade path provided by "zypper dup". Then there are issues with Kpackagekit (sometimes affecting the normal operation of YaST) not related to clean versus upgrade.

    If this doesn't improve over the next month or so, I will have to consider migrating to 11.4 Gnome 2 (with regrets). Although the DE itself is very stable, it's a bit too "retro" as a User Interface, and I'm not talking of its looks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by consused View Post
    I've had crashes on 11.4 with KDE that I haven't experienced on 11.3 or 11.2. Many of those have been transient or recovered with just a logoff, and have happened using non-KDE multimedia apps (e.g. Flash, VLC). Having said that, most of the Flash related freezes were triggered by KDE's power management dimming the display. More of those problems have been on an installation upgraded from 11.3, compared to a new/clean 11.4 installation. That's not unexpected, but it's not good enough for an upgrade path provided by "zypper dup". Then there are issues with Kpackagekit (sometimes affecting the normal opgnome-tweak-tooleration of YaST) not related to clean versus upgrade.

    If this doesn't improve over the next month or so, I will have to consider migrating to 11.4 Gnome 2 (with regrets). Although the DE itself is very stable, it's a bit too "retro" as a User Interface, and I'm not talking of its looks.
    Well Gnome 2 might be "retro" but heres the thing:


    It actully *gasp!* WORKS!
    And you can *GASP AGAIN* MAKE IT LOOK THE WAY YOU WANT IT!
    WHAT A CONCEPT!

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    On 04/19/2011 04:36 PM, DancingmadRB3 wrote:
    > As for the issues I have faced with openSUSE in case you are
    > wondering:
    >
    > KDE crashes


    i've not had a KDE4 crash...not one, much less plural..
    i can't find the thread where you describe the conditions of your crash,
    and asked for help in resolving it.

    > Firefox crashes


    Flash crashes if breathe on it....firefox (if you updated out of the
    beta version), not so much....same as before: ask for help (not here)

    > Packagekit crashes


    piece of not yet ready for prime time...kill it!

    > Yast crashes


    never...never ever.

    your needs may be more than any distro can meet, have a read here:
    http://tinyurl.com/8b9s6

    if you like the way windows looks and acts, figure out how to make it
    work for you...and, stop trying to turn Ubuntu or openSUSE into a
    windows look and act alike....Linux is not Windows.

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    Default Re: Why I have switched to openSUSE from Windows and Ubuntu

    On 04/19/2011 07:06 PM, DancingmadRB3 wrote:
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    > Well Gnome 2 might be "retro" but heres the thing:
    >
    > It actully *gasp!* WORKS!
    > And you can *GASP AGAIN* MAKE IT LOOK THE WAY YOU WANT IT!
    > WHAT A CONCEPT!


    use what works for you!
    problem solved!!!

    no more discussion needed.

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    Default Re: Why I have switched to openSUSE from Windows and Ubuntu

    On 04/19/2011 07:06 PM, DancingmadRB3 wrote:
    >
    > Well Gnome 2 might be "retro" but heres the thing:
    >
    > It actully *gasp!* WORKS!
    > And you can *GASP AGAIN* MAKE IT LOOK THE WAY YOU WANT IT!
    > WHAT A CONCEPT!
    >


    No discussion, but just an observation that I made without looking too deep
    in the details what happened under the hood.
    On the Eee PC I used first Gnome 2.32 and it had glitches and instabilities
    (freezes). I tried KDE 4.6 on it - no glitches, no instabilities (all eye
    candy enabled).

    Conclusion:
    It depends on a multitude of things if one desktop environment is more
    stable than another or just works or not. I had exactly the opposite
    situation with Gnome 2.30 and KDE 4.4 on another laptop with 11.3, where
    Gnome was stbale without any hickups and KDE not, since KDE 4.5 both are
    equal in their stability.
    These things simply change from version to version, from hardware to
    hardware ...

    It makes absolutely no sense for me to think in absolute terms that one DE
    is always stable out of the box and another less stable.

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    Default Re: Why I have switched to openSUSE from Windows and Ubuntu

    Quote Originally Posted by DancingmadRB3 View Post
    Well Gnome 2 might be "retro" but heres the thing:

    It actully *gasp!* WORKS!
    And you can *GASP AGAIN* MAKE IT LOOK THE WAY YOU WANT IT!
    WHAT A CONCEPT!
    Was this an example of "making it look the way you want it"?
    Then there are issues with Kpackagekit (sometimes affecting the normal opgnome-tweak-tooleration of YaST) not related to clean versus upgrade
    That red stuff wasn't in my post that you quoted. That's taking customization too seriously.

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