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    Default KPackageKit vs YaST

    Hello,

    Trying 11.4. But, confused on package managers and update programs.

    There are no updates found when I run "online update" from yast. But, KPackageKit says updates are available.

    Comparison in pic:

    Why are the two opensuse update programs showing inconsistencies? Which one do I trust?

    Thank you.

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    Default Re: KPackageKit vs YaST

    One shows patches and the other one updates. I'd think that there is a difference?

    I bet that YaST will show the updates that KPakageKit shows too if you rub it the right way.

    ETA: And strictly speaking YaST shows only needed patches in your screenshots. You can also set it to show "Unneeded Patches" and "All Patches"

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    Thank you.

    YaST shows patches but it's called "Online Update".
    To do a proper "Online Update" from YaST I close YaST and read the opensuse website that says "to update your system don't use YaST use KPackageKit".

    You guys are cunning. I'm coming from Ubuntu where we're all stupid and use symantec for updates and patches and on my Windows box we all use windows update to update the core and patch the system and on my mac os x we use get software updates... but for opensuse I will actually have to read something to figure out how to update the system

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    Quote Originally Posted by bz43tp View Post
    Thank you.

    YaST shows patches but it's called "Online Update".
    To do a proper "Online Update" from YaST I close YaST and read the opensuse website that says "to update your system don't use YaST use KPackageKit".
    You can use YaST to do that too, with either "Online Update" or "Software Management". Me, I generally have the 'Repositories' tab open. In the list of the repositories there is an entry "@System" right at the top, which lists all installed packages. A click on the column header "Installed (Available)" floats all the blue packages to the top. (Blue roughly means that a newer version is a available. Red roughly means your installed package is newer that what is in the repos.)




    YaST has the advantage that it is both easy to use and that it works at the cli.

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    On 04/16/2011 04:06 PM, bz43tp wrote:
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    > read the opensuse website that says "to update your system don't
    > use YaST use KPackageKit".


    i'd love to be able to find that quote (so i could correct it), but i
    can't, so maybe you could help, please!!

    just now, Google only finds that quote on the "opensuse website" in your
    post, see here http://tinyurl.com/3f7w8zv

    in fact, Google can't find that quote anywhere on the net! so, where did
    you find it?

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    Hi DenverD, I was only joking when I wrote, "to update your system don't use YaST use KPackageKit". Making fun of the fact that for a newbie like me it is a tad confusing to have two different GUI programs tell me about updates. Yast saying there aren't any updates except if you dig deeper as Lord_Emsworth indicated by looking at:
    And kpackagekit saying there are updates and letting me know via no user intervention. Just confusing for me.

    So, I guess my final question is should I let kpackagekit run the updates it wants to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bz43tp View Post
    So, I guess my final question is should I let kpackagekit run the updates it wants to?
    Sure, why not. Looks OK to me. And KPackageKit, YaST, and Zypper are all just different front-ends to the same package management anyway.

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    Hi Lord_Emsworth, thank you for your help!

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    On 04/16/2011 06:36 PM, Lord Emsworth wrote:
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    > And KPackageKit, YaST, and Zypper are
    > all just different front-ends to the same package management anyway.


    but, packagekit is a new kid on the block and has not yet proven itself
    as worthwhile as i would like in its ability to _correctly_ interface
    with the system (and, i think there are other 'old heads' around here
    who also do not use it, blindly)..

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    Default Re: KPackageKit vs YaST

    Quote Originally Posted by DenverD View Post
    On 04/16/2011 06:36 PM, Lord Emsworth wrote:
    >
    > And KPackageKit, YaST, and Zypper are
    > all just different front-ends to the same package management anyway.


    but, packagekit is a new kid on the block and has not yet proven itself
    as worthwhile as i would like in its ability to _correctly_ interface
    with the system (and, i think there are other 'old heads' around here
    who also do not use it, blindly)..
    If you don't use it you'll never know if it correctly interfaces. If you use it blindly, you'll never really know either.

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