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    Question Revision 1.1 of my thoughts on openSUSE Versions, or why should my first release be 1.3?

    In our latest Newsletter our top announcement is a our newest version method to be used by openSUSE. I guess I must have missed something along the way. Here is an excerpt from that newsletter:

    Or in other words, The more things change, the more they stay the
    same
    openSUSE does not ship major/minor releases, but our numbering/naming scheme NN.X has
    led to a common misperception that a .0 release was major and a .x release was an update. This
    created a number of issues, including lack of media attention for .x releases, and user
    misconceptions about stability of .0 releases.
    We have traditionally released versions as 11.0, 11.1, 11.2 and so on up to .3. (The
    exception was 11.4 because the Project wasnt sure what to number the next release.)
    The only really clear thing was our release cycle timing, as follows:
    openSUSE releases on a fixed schedule every 8 months no
    matter what. Therefore, all releases occur in November, July and
    March.

    There has been a lot of discussion over time within our community about our versioning
    scheme for distribution releases. We want to ensure our growing community, including users and
    media, have a clear and correct understanding of our release cycle so naming or numbering
    needed to reflect that, and not cause misunderstanding.
    Recently, the Project took these discussions to a poll, to gauge community feeling about
    the different options. Generally, the community expressed that they wanted a scheme that was
    uniquely openSUSEs and reflected our release methodology. We looked at other distros for
    examples, and while we felt many had come up with excellent versioning schemes for their
    distros, none properly reflected our own cycle.
    From this discussion and results of the poll, we have come up with the following
    scheme:

    • The .x shall henceforth reflect the month of release
      • 1 = November
      • 2 = July
      • 3 = March

    • We will no longer ship a .0 version.


    This solution brings a meaningful rationale to the scheme, without completely revising the
    look. And thus, our next release in November will be 12.1. In July 2012, we will ship 12.2 and
    in March 2013, we will ship 12.3. Then in November 2013, we will ship 13.1.
    You can read the whole thing here if you wish:

    openSUSE News

    Now if you are still with me, I am wondering why openSUSE really sees the need to redefine how version numbers work and why we can no longer have a revision 12.0? This is really the most silliest thing I have read in connection to openSUSE in a long time and at least for me, whom could be asleep at the wheel, I guess I just missed this whole discussion.

    Since I started using openSUSE at revision 10.0, I have not seen any issues with the numbering system. I have no idea why it is important to peg the revision of openSUSE to the month it comes out on and perhaps the real fix is just just have major revisions only. Like 12.0 is next, then 13.0, err wait, I mean 14.0, then 15.0 and so forth. If no one pays attention to anything but revs ?.0, by never using it, we can make sure no one ever pays attention, if the version number really matters that much.

    Now a long time ago I was told to never use revision 1.0 and if it gets to revision 7.0 it will likely never work. Perhaps we just need to pull out the old Silver, Gold or Platinum monikers and then we can drop back to revision 1.0, err I mean 1.1, err no I mean 1.3, err well you know what I mean, right? If this is not the most bulletin sheet stuff you have read in a very long time then let me know why you support this silly new numbering system for openSUSE. Try to not repeat anything already mentioned above for this change.

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    Default Re: Revision 1.1 of my thoughts on openSUSE Versions, or why should my first release be 1.3?

    They could just call the next version 11.4.0, and the following one 11.4.0.0. Or maybe start counting down.

    Version numbers are marketing gimmicks. Why should we even care. It's what on the inside that matters. Keep up the quality, and I'll be satisfied no matter what the version number is.
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    Default Re: Revision 1.1 of my thoughts on openSUSE Versions, or why should my first release be 1.3?

    It really makes no sense (to me, obviously). Since there's no major/minor differentiation, it would mean something if it was like YY.N, YY being year and N the release number (starting from 0 or 1, doesn't matter - or perhaps 0 give the impression of a quasi-beta release). but this ship has sailed, I'm sorry I didn't notice the discussion on this as it was going on.

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    Default Re: Revision 1.1 of my thoughts on openSUSE Versions, or why shouldmy first release be 1.3?

    On 04/10/2011 10:06 PM, jdmcdaniel3 wrote:
    >
    > whom
    > could be asleep at the wheel, I guess I just missed this whole
    > discussion.


    the discussion wasn't held in the forums...it was held in the mail
    lists..if you are not there (also) you won't hear about all that kinda
    stuff..

    but, if you do go there you need to be 'accepted' as something other
    than "just a user" or your voice will carry no weight in the discussions
    and for sure you will not be allowed to vote in the one that counts...to
    do that you have be a member of the openSUSE Community (currently, there
    are 469)...how to become a member is in the Wiki, begin here:
    http://en.opensuse.org/Portalroject

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    Smile Re: Revision 1.1 of my thoughts on openSUSE Versions, or why shouldmy first release be 1.3?

    I guess it is too bad the openSUSE forums mean so little to those that can make such silly changes as this for the openSUSE version numbers. With only 469 votes, there is not much telling what they could vote in next. Perhaps changing to pink from green for the openSUSE lizard makes more sense.

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    Default Re: Revision 1.1 of my thoughts on openSUSE Versions, or why shouldmy first release be 1.3?

    It must be a slow day for you if you can get worked up over this. I can see their rationale and it's slightly better than currently for marketing reasons since there is nothing special about .0. However it ties the scheme a bit to the 8 month cycle. Personally I think they missed a chance to go to a year.month scheme starring now, i.e. next release would be 11.11. But it's decided so let's get back to discussing more important things such as coffee and music.

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    Smile Re: Revision 1.1 of my thoughts on openSUSE Versions, or why shouldmy first release be 1.3?

    It must be a slow day for you if you can get worked up over this. I can see their rationale and it's slightly better than currently for marketing reasons since there is nothing special about .0. However it ties the scheme a bit to the 8 month cycle. Personally I think they missed a chance to go to a year.month scheme starring now, i.e. next release would be 11.11. But it's decided so let's get back to discussing more important things such as coffee and music.
    Hello Ken and thanks for your comments. I try to comment on anything I think is silly, but my opinion might strike a nerve in anyone towing the company line here. As for being a slow day, my only other real problem these days seems to be bad DNS servers, so this subject did seem more important to me. As for coffee and music, these are good subjects, but the issue of coming out with a month based version scheme because no one pays attention to certain releases that don't end with certain numbers indicate a really slow day when major decisions about our favorite distro are being made. This is the soapbox area and this subject does strike a cord with me on version numbers and openSUSE. I will try to stay between the lines here.

    Thank You,
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    Default Re: Revision 1.1 of my thoughts on openSUSE Versions, or why shouldmy first release be 1.3?

    You missed the discussion that's all so get over it.

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    Unhappy Re: Revision 1.1 of my thoughts on openSUSE Versions, or why shouldmy first release be 1.3?

    Yes, I guess I did miss the vote made by 469 people and like thousands of others that did not see this one coming, I should get over it as my opinion does not count any more. Too bad for us I guess...

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    Default Re: Revision 1.1 of my thoughts on openSUSE Versions, or whyshould my first release be 1.3?

    On Sun, 2011-04-10 at 21:06 +0000, jdmcdaniel3 wrote:
    > I guess it is too bad the openSUSE forums mean so little to those that
    > can make such silly changes as this for the openSUSE version numbers.
    > With only 469 votes, there is not much telling what they could vote in
    > next. Perhaps changing to pink from green for the openSUSE lizard makes
    > more sense.
    >
    > Thank You,
    >
    >

    Hi
    As one of those 469, maybe you should submit your membership application
    and help make the silly changes with us?
    http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Members

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