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    Default Windows still sucks

    another Windows threat...

    I bought a dektop computer a while ago, maybe 6 months or so. I did this, because I wanted to have a big screen and nice multimedia stuff and so on.

    I did not care so much about the pre-installed Windows 7 64 Bit Home Premium, because I installed Fedora 13 on it at first on a separate HDD and afterwards, after I was finally done with Gnome (for me it sucks too, but not as much as Windows 7) I installed OpenSuse 11.3 on it. It is still in dualboot, but now I have to HDDs in it, one is running Opensuse and on the other HDD, Windows is farting around.
    The first amazing thing about Opensuse I realised, was that it just bound the Windows HDD into Grub, without messing around... it was just there.

    So since a few days I thought that I should open my mind and boot Windows, to see what has improved since XP (my last Windows before I left to Linux).
    Summary: nothing, really.
    The startmenu is still a nightmare.
    The system needs driver Cds for anything.
    It still asks for everything "are you really sure?"
    It is slow... my goodness... Opensuse 11.3 runs like a rocket compared to this!
    All the multimedia stuff: watching a movie in .mp4? No Codec. Just the sound in Windows media player... wow, installing VLC: works... in Opensuse? No problem at all with Packman, it plays everything in Kaffeine

    for every tiny task you need to install a separate tool on windows. Unbelievable.

    The taskbar: I do not understand that. I mean, I have (and I love) KDE on OpenSuse, but whats that with the taskbar in Windows? Where is the progress? It groups everything together in one Icon. When you have more than one window of the same app open, you really need to search for the particular window you are looking for. Searching on the screen, scrolling and shifting through every window, because you can not see it anymore in the taskbar? Give me a break...

    Updates: because it wasnt booted since... I dont know... last year (?) it pulled a big load of updates. As this is important, of course, I permitted it to do so. It pulled some 2 or more Gb data and this took ages. After downloading, installing took ages. And you can not do anything beside that. This system has managed to fully slow down a Intel Dual Core with 2x 2,7 Ghz and 6 Gb RAM! Until near standstill. Unbelievable.
    Then you need to reboot. And during shutting down, it installs the same number of updates again. And during boot it also installs updates again... and this takes ages again...

    So today I bought a USB 3.0 controller and mounted it into the computer. First trial with OpenSuse: no problem at all. This thing is just recognised, plug in the USB 3.0 Harddrive and copy data. Done

    On Windows, it takes first of all ages to boot (even slower than "normally") then it proudly presents a message that the new driver was installed successfully... plugging in the harddrive... nothing happens... trying again... nothing happens... opening the cluttered control panel or whatever, where the hardware manager is... And it shows a tiny little exclamation mark at the USB controller... Okay, driver CD inserted, installed driver... a message comes up that the device could not be installed and might not work. But it works anyway.

    So finally: I did not find much difference to Windows XP. It still has next to zero drivers with it, it still has loads of cluttered menus, it is still slow.
    The only difference is the taskbar which is now worse than everything I saw before.

    Windows still sucks and I am really glad and relieved when the Geeko shows up on the screen and I have my lovely operating system on the screen again, which does what I want and it does it fast, accurate and without bothering me.

    sorry, I had to vent some steam...
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    Default Re: Windows still sucks

    In the whole process I can only see one major error you made: you should have repartitioned your disk right after you bought the system, removing all existing partitions and creating new ones for your Linux usage (whatever distro or distros). When you had done that, you wouldn't have got the temptation (still strange, I never would have got it) to boot Windows and this thread would not have been there saving you and me time.

    I do not know what other openSUSE users think of this, but I am not in the least interested in the "sucking of Windows". Shouldn't you have posted this in a Windows forums (if there exists such a thing )?
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    Default Re: Windows still sucks

    Obviously you should have transferred your install of Windows to your vacuum cleaner where it will do a good job and reformatted the disk space for Linux.

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    It's great that you had such a good experience with KDE/openSUSE. Sorry about Gnome, I really like it even though I like KDE better, what did you find off about Gnome?
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    Quote Originally Posted by steffen13
    The taskbar: I do not understand that. I mean, I have (and I love) KDE on OpenSuse, but what�s that with the taskbar in Windows? Where is the progress? It groups everything together in one Icon. When you have more than one window of the same app open, you really need to search for the particular window you are looking for. Searching on the screen, scrolling and shifting through every window, because you can not see it anymore in the taskbar? Give me a break...

    Updates: because it wasn�t booted since... I don�t know... last year (?) it pulled a big load of updates. As this is important, of course, I permitted it to do so. It pulled some 2 or more Gb data and this took ages. After downloading, installing took ages. And you can not do anything beside that. This system has managed to fully slow down a Intel Dual Core with 2x 2,7 Ghz and 6 Gb RAM! Until near standstill. Unbelievable.
    Then you need to reboot. And during shutting down, it installs the same number of updates again. And during boot it also installs updates again... and this takes ages again...

    So today I bought a USB 3.0 controller and mounted it into the computer. First trial with OpenSuse: no problem at all. This thing is just recognised, plug in the USB 3.0 Harddrive and copy data. Done

    On Windows, it takes first of all ages to boot (even slower than "normally") then it proudly presents a message that the new driver was installed successfully... plugging in the harddrive... nothing happens... trying again... nothing happens... opening the cluttered control panel or whatever, where the hardware manager is... And it shows a tiny little exclamation mark at the USB controller... Okay, driver CD inserted, installed driver... a message comes up that the device could not be installed and might not work. But it works anyway.
    I agree. My last windows was 1998 and the final. After 1998 I don't use them(windows). Yeahh linux are better, faster and more effective than windows. But you know the reason why linux are not used for many users. In Hellas(Greece) we try to widely spread them(linux) and we have success.
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    Default Re: Απ: Windows still sucks

    I get seriously depressed looking at off the peg PC's now.
    It's more and more a (I was going to say monoculture) - But actually 'Clone' seems more in keeping.
    I fail to see what even interests people. The hardware I guess might be interesting, just so long as I can wipe the HD
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    Default Re: Απ: Windows still sucks

    Quote Originally Posted by caf4926 View Post
    I get seriously depressed looking at off the peg PC's now.
    It's more and more a (I was going to say monoculture) - But actually 'Clone' seems more in keeping.
    I fail to see what even interests people.
    The majority of "off the peg" PC buyers are mainly interested in applications, not operating system components. Eventually, I guess that same majority will only be interested in whether their "off the peg PC's" can accommodate their preferred Cloud-based applications, with good performance when streaming to/from the Cloud, and near instant response times.

    Hardware-wise, their only interest will be connecting in various peripheral devices, i.e. are they supported by the "platform" (whatever that device looks like) and will they work OOTB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by consused View Post
    The majority of "off the peg" PC buyers are mainly interested in applications, not operating system components. Eventually, I guess that same majority will only be interested in whether their "off the peg PC's" can accommodate their preferred Cloud-based applications, with good performance when streaming to/from the Cloud, and near instant response times.

    Hardware-wise, their only interest will be connecting in various peripheral devices, i.e. are they supported by the "platform" (whatever that device looks like) and will they work OOTB.
    Spot on. And it will be thin, light, tablet-like, touch screen, but with options to attach a big screen (or a projector), mouse, keyboard. And/or maybe to attach to a home dock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swerdna View Post
    It's great that you had such a good experience with KDE/openSUSE. Sorry about Gnome, I really like it even though I like KDE better, what did you find off about Gnome?
    the latest versions of Gnome 2 have an annoying fault. Often there are icons missing in the panels. Also the dependency structure is sometimes beyond me. You uninstall (for example) Pulseaudio and it takes half of the desktop with it. All the "simplification" is sometimes frustrating to me too. So I think, personally I am better off with KDE. Gnome was okay to lead the way to Linux for me but in version 2 it is still the same as it was in 2007 or 2008 and everything around it has done progress, but Gnome itself... not really. Maybe I am wrong.
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    regarding "off the peg" computers. Normally: yes, I should have bought a computer without OS pre-installed. But to be honest: I was too lazy to search for one. In Germany (where I come from) I know some good places where to shop for computers without OS and where you can configure the parts of it on your own, but over here in the US this is much more difficult to find, I think.
    Anyway, I just wanted to have a slightly powerfull PC which has a good quality and thats it. I never thought that I will start windows on it... but hey, I did it and I couldnt believe it, after all the praises you can read all over the internet, how amazing Windows 7 is. I just need Windows for Turbotax, while I really need to find out whether it runs on wine too or not. This sucks too: Turbotax is a java application which is available for Windows and Mac. It would be easy to do one for Linux too. But there is no...
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