Confused re Tumbleweed repositories and Packman

[swerdna]

Hi

I've got 11.4 Tumbleweed installed with KDE (all standard except for Tumbleweed).

My repos are:

• OpenSUSE 11.4 oss
• OpenSUSE 11.4 non-oss
• PackmanTumbleweedEssentials
• Tumbleweed
• Updates for OpenSUSE 11.4

I successfully upgraded with "zypper dup --from Tumbleweed" a week ago.

Notice that I have the original Packman repo for standard 11.4 turned off -- I think I turned it off by accident but can't remember.

So my question is: should I turn standard 11.4 packman repo back on?
(I think that's a yes -- but just thought I'd check).

I want to resolve this question before I "zypper dup" again to get the Tumbleweed update for Libre Office installed

[consused]

I've got 11.4 Tumbleweed installed with KDE (all standard except for Tumbleweed).

My repos are:

• OpenSUSE 11.4 oss
• OpenSUSE 11.4 non-oss
• PackmanTumbleweedEssentials
• Tumbleweed
• Updates for OpenSUSE 11.4

I successfully upgraded with "zypper dup --from Tumbleweed" a week ago.

Exactly the same repos as mine. I successfully did a couple of zypper dup's recently, including a re-install of all the Libre Office packages.

The "Additional package repositories" page in the Wiki says "And here is how to add the all-in-one Packman repository (which doesn't make any difference for Factory, Tumbleweed and Evergreen_11.1):"

If that is true, and the all-in-one Packman repository makes no difference to Tumbleweed, why would adding the "original Packman repo for standard 11.4" make any difference?

[DenverD]

On 04/02/2011 11:36 PM, swerdna wrote:
>
> So my question is: should I turn standard 11.4 packman repo back on?
> (I think that's a yes -- but just thought I'd check).

as far as i can find, the answer to your question can not be
determined by reference to any documentation provided/approved by the
developers of Tumbleweed (neither wiki, manual, forum how-to, nor
developer answer in any previous forum post)..

since http://en.opensuse.org/Tumbleweed gives: "feedback, share
experience and report issues to the openSUSE Factory mailing list" i
can guess that the answer might be asked (or found in archive) there..

a link to their mail list is given at the above URL, it is also
available at http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Communication_channels

since that mail list is archived, a google using a site specifier
(like the following) _might_ be worthwhile: http://tinyurl.com/3p5kwtg

if not, i think it probably best to 'talk' directly with the makers
rather than us users guessing among ourselves..

maybe some user(s) here could begin a collective how-to, as these
questions come up and are answered through guesses and trials..

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[RedDwarf]

The "Additional package repositories" page in the Wiki says "And here is how to add the all-in-one Packman repository (which doesn't make any difference for Factory, Tumbleweed and Evergreen_11.1):"

If that is true, and the all-in-one Packman repository makes no difference to Tumbleweed, why would adding the "original Packman repo for standard 11.4" make any difference?

The all-in-one Packman repository doesn't make any difference for Factory, Tumbleweed and Evergreen_11.1... compared to just adding the Essentials subrepo... since Essentials is the only subrepo that builds for Factory, Tumbleweed and Evergreen_11.1.

If you use Tumbleweed you should use the Tumbleweed version of Packman, not the openSUSE 11.4 version. If you need packages from other Packman subrepos you can try to use the openSUSE 11.4 versions, but that's totally unsupported.

[swerdna]

Exactly the same repos as mine. I successfully did a couple of zypper dup's recently, including a re-install of all the Libre Office packages.

The "Additional package repositories" page in the Wiki says "And here is how to add the all-in-one Packman repository (which doesn't make any difference for Factory, Tumbleweed and Evergreen_11.1):"

If that is true, and the all-in-one Packman repository makes no difference to Tumbleweed, why would adding the "original Packman repo for standard 11.4" make any difference?

Well then it seems to me that new 11.4 users should remove Packman Tumbleweed Essentials and "Packman 11.4 Standard" and should attach "Tumbleweed All of Packman". That way new installations of 11.4 can be zypper dup-ed to Tumbleweed AND can also install all the multimedia and other stuff they need, using "the hard way" rather than the "one click method".

So -- is that right?

[swerdna]

On 04/02/2011 11:36 PM, swerdna wrote:
>
> So my question is: should I turn standard 11.4 packman repo back on?
> (I think that's a yes -- but just thought I'd check).

as far as i can find, the answer to your question can not be
determined by reference to any documentation provided/approved by the
developers of Tumbleweed (neither wiki, manual, forum how-to, nor
developer answer in any previous forum post)..

since Portal:Tumbleweed - openSUSE gives: "feedback, share
experience and report issues to the openSUSE Factory mailing list" i
can guess that the answer might be asked (or found in archive) there..

a link to their mail list is given at the above URL, it is also
available at openSUSE:Communication channels - openSUSE

since that mail list is archived, a google using a site specifier
(like the following) _might_ be worthwhile: site:lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/ tumbleweed packman - Google Search

if not, i think it probably best to 'talk' directly with the makers
rather than us users guessing among ourselves..

maybe some user(s) here could begin a collective how-to, as these
questions come up and are answered through guesses and trials..

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Thanks DD. I'm a subscriber to the Tumbleweed list and didn't think to use google to get deeper into it. So I will.
You might be interested to learn that we're starting a Tumbleweed forum in the "English" section in the next few days. There seems to me to be enough threads addressing Tumbleweed to warrant a focus/forum about Tumbleweed.

[RedDwarf]

This is really simple!! You must use http://packman.inode.at/suse/WHATEVER_VERSION_OF_OPENSUSE_YOU_USE

You use 11.3?
Then use either http://packman.inode.at/suse/openSUSE_11.3/ or http://packman.inode.at/suse/openSUSE_11.3/Essentials/ (plus as many subrepos as you want)

You use 11.4?
Then use either http://packman.inode.at/suse/openSUSE_11.4/ or http://packman.inode.at/suse/openSUSE_11.4/Essentials/ (plus as many subrepos as you want)

You use Tumbleweed?
Then use either http://packman.inode.at/suse/openSUSE_Tumbleweed/ or http://packman.inode.at/suse/openSUSE_Tumbleweed/Essentials/. In this case it's exactly the same one than the other.


You use Tumbleweed but want packages only available in http://packman.inode.at/suse/openSUSE_11.4/Multimedia?
Then use http://packman.inode.at/suse/openSUSE_Tumbleweed/Essentials/ and http://packman.inode.at/suse/openSUSE_11.4/Multimedia/. But don't complain if the packages from http://packman.inode.at/suse/openSUSE_11.4/Multimedia/ don't work.


You must ***NOT*** use http://packman.inode.at/suse/openSUSE_11.4/ or http://packman.inode.at/suse/openSUSE_11.4/Essentials/ if you use Tumbleweed.
You don't mix 11.3 and 11.4 repositories, true? Then don't mix 11.4 and Tumbleweed repositories. If you use Tumbleweed the only 11.4 repositories you must have are "OpenSUSE 11.4 oss", "OpenSUSE 11.4 non-oss" and "Updates for OpenSUSE 11.4".

[swerdna]

OK then, got it.

I apparently had it OK at the start but got confused by not understanding that Tumbleweed All of Packman and Tumbleweed Packman Essentials are identical. (as opposed to, say, 11.x All of Packman and 11.x Packman Essentials being not-identical).

Thank you for clarifying that.

[consused]

If you use Tumbleweed you should use the Tumbleweed version of Packman, not the openSUSE 11.4 version. If you need packages from other Packman subrepos you can try to use the openSUSE 11.4 versions, but that's totally unsupported.

Yes, I understood that. I posed my question for @swerdna to think of a reason that might support his proposed action to re-instate the standard Packman. I was sure there wasn't one.

So -- is that right?

No, regular 11.4 Packman isn't for Tumbleweed.

[DenverD]

On 04/03/2011 11:36 AM, swerdna wrote:
>
> You might be interested to learn that we're starting a Tumbleweed forum
> in the "English" section in the next few days.

i think that is exactly what is needed....and maybe somebody could
begin a TumbleWeed how-to (to 'capture' the 'good stuff' from Red
Dwarf and others in-the-know [rather than in-the-guess, like me])

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