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    Default OpenSUSE 11.4 -> Tumbleweed. Repository Help.

    Hi there,

    I'm currently trying to go from OpenSUSE 11.4 to Tumbleweed, just because.

    My question is, I've added both Packman Tumbleweed, and the OpenSUSE Tumbleweed repos to my YaST2 repo list, but I was wondering which repositories should now be turned off.

    I have disabled the 11.4 Packman repository, but should I keep any of the following? My guess is no?

    Updates for openSUSE 11.4
    openSUSE 11.4 Non-Oss
    openSUSE 11.4-Oss

    I also assume that after switching my repositories, I would issue a "Switch packages to those from this repositories" first to the OpenSUSE Tumbleweed, and then to the Packman Tumbleweed repositories. Would that be correct?

    Thanks for the help!

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    Default Re: OpenSUSE 11.4 -> Tumbleweed. Repository Help.

    My understanding is that you keep those three 11.4 standard repos enabled (since Tumbleweed repo doesn't contain all the packages needed for a system). You have Packman Tumbleweed repo also enabled, having disabled the standard Packman repo. Then you perform a zypper dup in a terminal (as root). Why don't you read the istructions for Tumbleweed in the openSUSE Wiki - just search on "tumbleweed" to reach the project's portal.

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    Default Re: OpenSUSE 11.4 -> Tumbleweed. Repository Help.

    I was on the Portal: Tumbleweed, but it made no mention of the "old" repositories, instead only mentioning to add the new ones (It didn't even really mention disabling the old Packman repo, which I figured was a no brainer) so I figured I'd ask before doing anything. Thanks!

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    Default Re: OpenSUSE 11.4 -> Tumbleweed. Repository Help.

    That's true (IIRC) and it should have mentioned the zypper dup (not a package switch in YaST). Anyway, you are welcome. Good luck - hope it goes well.

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    Default Re: OpenSUSE 11.4 -> Tumbleweed. Repository Help.

    On 2011-03-23 04:06, LostChild1 wrote:
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    > I was on the Portal: Tumbleweed, but it made no mention of the "old"
    > repositories, instead only mentioning to add the new ones (It didn't
    > even really mention disabling the old Packman repo, which I figured was
    > a no brainer) so I figured I'd ask before doing anything. Thanks!


    You could ask *them* - they are in the factory mail list.

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    Default Re: OpenSUSE 11.4 -> Tumbleweed. Repository Help.

    On 03/23/2011 04:06 AM, LostChild1 wrote:
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    > I was on the Portal: Tumbleweed, but it made no mention of the "old"
    > repositories, instead only mentioning to add the new ones (It didn't
    > even really mention disabling the old Packman repo, which I figured was
    > a no brainer) so I figured I'd ask before doing anything. Thanks!
    >


    i believe the confusion on the precise way to move from 11.4 to
    Tumbleweed may be due to insufficient/not totally clear direction on
    the Tumbleweed portal page..

    (if i understand the portal page correctly) the deficiency should be
    raised via feedback to the openSUSE Factory mail list...and, a link to
    that mail list is on the page [look in the paragraph titled: "How can
    I contribute?"]

    as well as i can understand that page all Tumbleweed *feedback* (
    problems encountered, failures seen, help questions, praise, barbs,
    successes and etc etc etc) should go directly to the devs, via that
    mail list..

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    Default Re: OpenSUSE 11.4 -> Tumbleweed. Repository Help.

    Quote Originally Posted by DenverD View Post
    i believe the confusion on the precise way to move from 11.4 to
    Tumbleweed may be due to insufficient/not totally clear direction on
    the Tumbleweed portal page..
    That may have been deliberate, on the basis that if one needs to ask about repos or how to perform the update, one shouldn't be using Tumbleweed.

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    Default Re: OpenSUSE 11.4 -> Tumbleweed. Repository Help.

    On 03/23/2011 05:36 PM, consused wrote:
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    > That may have been deliberate, on the basis that if one needs to ask
    > about repos or how to perform the update, one shouldn't be using
    > Tumbleweed.



    i wasn't saying the wiki was "wrong" or bad...just that the
    documentation given to date is insufficient as a step-by-step, all
    bases covered, do this and all will be swell..

    its not that, because it can't be, yet....it is a new project still
    very early in the gettin' goin' stage..

    but, also the lack of clear documentation doesn't give the self
    appointed helpers here the chance to answer questions based on known
    fact.....unless (like caf) they use Tumbleweed

    a problem i see is even if you or others (or even me--fat chance that
    happens) have sufficient experience with Tumbleweed to answer
    questions and solve problems here on this project will you/others be
    forwarding the questions you answer and problems you solve to the devs
    (because they have promised to NOT come here to learn anything about
    how folks are getting on with anything)...

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    to undo the problems caused by not." DD 23 Jan 11

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    Default Re: OpenSUSE 11.4 -> Tumbleweed. Repository Help.

    I am not sure about disabling of the standard Packman repository. Doing so will make some packages unavailable e.g. audacity and ffmpeg.

    In much the same way that Tumbleweed adds to the standard OSS, Non-OSS and Updates repositories of openSUSE, I see that Packman Tumbleweed just adds to the standard Packman repository.

    I actually wonder how Tumbleweed will work with Packman because, in a sense, their repositories are already rolling and they do not have a concept of stable and updates repositories.

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    Asus Eee 900: 900MHz Celeron, 1GB RAM, 12GB SSD, 915GM, openSUSE-current+Tumbleweed
    Home-built Desktop: Athlon II X2 3.3GHz, 4GB RAM, 1TB SATA, GeForce G210, openSUSE-12.1-x86_64, KDE-4.7.2

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    Default Re: OpenSUSE 11.4 -> Tumbleweed. Repository Help.

    You raise an interesting question about Packman for Tumbleweed i.e. additional repo or replacement repo? Bear in mind that Packman for Tumbleweed is an Essentials repo as documented here on the Additional package repositories wiki page.

    So if you only had 11.4 Essentials, you would relace with Tumbleweed Essentials, and you would have to add 11.4 Multimedia, Games etc to get additional packages.

    However what if you have installed "11.4 All of Packman"? Apparently if you add "Tumbleweed All of Packman", that wiki page says it makes no difference i.e. it's the same as Tumbleweed Essentials? Have I understood that correctly?

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