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    Apology for dual post I realized was in wrong place.
    Created verified 11.3 live CD
    Inserted, restarted, welcome screen, choices next, I choose installation.
    Kernel loaded then black blank screen guess you call it a freeze up
    Please advise
    Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit Edition
    Partitioned plenty room

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    Apology for dual post I realized was in wrong place.
    Created verified 11.3 live CD
    Inserted, restarted, welcome screen, choices next, I choose installation.
    Kernel loaded then black blank screen guess you call it a freeze up
    Please advise
    Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit Edition
    Partitioned plenty room
    The most common problem is video and the default video driver selected causes a black screen, if we can assume you did not freeze up. There is a Failsafe selection to try, which turns off lots of things and worth a try. For just video, you can enter the kernel load option nomodeset, just before selecting the default openSUSE startup in the grub OS selection menu and then pressing enter. If that single option works, then we need to know your video chipset to help further.

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    On 03/18/2011 12:36 PM, jdmcdaniel3 wrote:
    > If that single option works,
    > then we need to know your video chipset to help further.


    or just follow the step-by-step here:

    http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Configuring_graphics_cards

    and holler if you get into trouble.

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    Denver
    I realize now why I have avoided Suse all these years. Some folks due to their comprehension and tenacity are more inclined to win out with this present challenge. I have in past installed about 8 distros and over came some of the grub and file change challenges, but after reading the URL you so kindly included I have decided I am not going to ask you to hold my hand or hang you up wondering what I am doing. I will take this to the north texas user group next meeting and if they are
    able to install the nomodeset and it works great. If not I will be satisfied with my 10.04 and DL 3.5.
    Folks like you in all theses forums I have worked with have provided me with the limited knowledge I do have and I count myself fortunate.
    If I post again it will be for some question after an install. Sounds as if I have not rid myself of
    all the point and click mentality
    Cheers

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    On 03/18/2011 05:06 PM, wortham wrote:
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    > Sounds as if I have not rid myself of all the point and click mentality


    no doubt, it is a hard habit to break!

    well, i do understand, it (Linux in general and SUSE in particular) is
    a lot harder than it should be...and, it is that new kernel and some
    contrary graphics cards....tell you what, i bet James from Austin is
    *more* than willing to walk you step by step...

    at the very least try and if selecting Fail Safe results in a good
    boot you are half way home, even if it LOOKs like a hard row to hoe
    (by looking at the whole URL page)....

    but, if wish (and i can understand that) i reckon if you take a six
    pack of Shiner (or less) to that meeting they will get it
    done....pretty quick..

    on the other hand if that 10.04 is the Ubuntu i guess it is, and it
    works for you, then: Use what works! (the potential problem there is
    that eventually their rolling release philosophy will eventually have
    them laying in the kernel we have now, and then you will probably have
    some kinda problems.....OR, maybe they fiddle with it another six or
    twelve months and figure out how to make it painless for you--which
    ain't such a bad thang!!)

    it is good thing that there are so many distros to choose from....some
    work better with some hardware than others....and, some cost you more
    (time or Shiners) than others..

    peace..

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    Denver
    You are one of those folks I would really enjoy meeting face to face. I would love to connect to this James. Heck I drive to Dallas from Wortham 85 miles to attend NTLUG. I found your comments about the kernel extremely interesting. This is a new Toshiba and had I know that it had built in
    Linux incomparability I would never have purchased it. (L675D)
    The Ubuntu 10.04 was not my first choice I choose 10.10 but this unit had a kernel conflick or whatever. Was forced to the 10.04.
    Have you looked into Dreamlinux I had a similar challenge on install involved b43 fw-cutter and posted to their forum and that post got 8000 hits fantastic. The desktop reminds one of the Mac.
    Linux is my hobby at 79 my spouse says I spend too much time, but hell its wireless and I am on back deck with great Margarita, wish you were here. My other hobby is designing web sites. I have 2 locally I built and maintain.
    Great sharing and you know I have looked, really looked for step by step how to install nomodeset
    with little luck.
    Enough my drivel
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    Quote Originally Posted by wortham View Post
    ... but after reading the URL you so kindly included I have decided I am not going to ask you to hold my hand or hang you up wondering what I am doing. I will take this to the north texas user group next meeting and if they are
    able to install the nomodeset and it works great.
    Well, I wrote that guide. Sorry to read if it is impossible for you to follow ? I hope not (too difficult). < not sure >

    I made it as basic as I could.

    I guess I may have lost touch with my 'inner newb'.

    It IS a wiki. Perhaps you could improve it for us if you can see some places where you can make helpful edits ?

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    On 03/18/2011 07:36 PM, wortham wrote:

    > You are one of those folks I would really enjoy meeting face to face.


    thank you!

    amazing, in the last few days here i have insulted over and over for
    being condescending and ignorant..

    > I would love to connect to this James.


    me too, and i might make it to Austin....before too long..



    >[snip]
    > Linux is my hobby at 79 my spouse says I spend too much time, but hell


    i hope when i get to your age (in 14 years) i can still see and type.

    > its wireless and I am on back deck with great Margarita, wish you were
    > here.


    me too...my "perfect Margarita" recipe i learned when i lived in Del
    Rio goes like this:
    -two parts *good* cactus juice (i prefer one with a worm)
    -two parts Controy (Cointreau from France is ok but cost more)
    -one part freshly squeezed lime juice
    -shake with ice and strain into a chilled and salt rimmed glass
    -be careful, it is reallllly sneaky..

    > My other hobby is designing web sites. I have 2 locally I built
    > and maintain.


    i built my first in '95, it is still there (texan.dk) and have
    designed several over the years for friends, for free...one is in the
    oven right now <http://www.kunstterapi-lacouleur.dk/test> it is still
    quite a ways from fully baked..

    > Great sharing and you know I have looked, really looked for step by
    > step how to install nomodeset


    James told you how, but let me translate:
    "For just video, you can enter the kernel load option *nomodeset*,
    just before selecting the default openSUSE startup in the grub OS
    selection menu and then pressing enter."

    which means: at that very first green openSUSE screen (which he calls
    the "grub OS selection menu") press the right or left arrow (all that
    does is stop the clock from running to automatically kick off the boot
    process), then just start typing

    Code:
    nomodeset
    it will automatically go to the right place in the boot option line
    (James called it a "kernel load option", then just make sure the
    correct boot line is selected (most likely the top one), then hit
    enter....hold your mouth just right and you might be lucky..

    that can be made permenant, but i don't know how (it is in that long
    page of instructions)..

    but, i expect you will have plenty of other problems, as many with
    Toshibas do..

    you might, if you really wanna run Linux see if you can sell it on
    eBay and buy something known to work well..

    cheers..

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldcpu View Post
    Well, I wrote that guide. Sorry to read if it is impossible for you to follow ? I hope not (too difficult). < not sure >

    I made it as basic as I could.

    I guess I may have lost touch with my 'inner newb'.

    It IS a wiki. Perhaps you could improve it for us if you can see some places where you can make helpful edits ?
    Please take what I am about to say as constructive, but most moderators moderators from my perspective are speaking in a technical mode that is over the head of many novice users, myself included. I could not possibly improve on a guide that is "Greek to me. That is why as an example
    when I go to a search engine on a quest I always type step by step procedure to install lets say nomodeset which I have not found. Now carrying this a little further, lets say for grins nomodeset needed to be included or a file changed in (hd0,1) . Well you can be assured the creator of the guide assumes one knows how to access (hd0,1) to make the addition which is not the case many times.
    It is not your fault that a 79 year old man on Linux for 8 years still wrestles with comprehension.
    Not ranting or saying your mindset is faulty it just a fact that all comprehension is not created equal. I do appreciate effort and maybe I can get someone to walk me through step by step or maybe I must live with what I have. Thank you and Denver for you input.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wortham View Post
    Please take what I am about to say as constructive, but most moderators moderators from my perspective are speaking in a technical mode that is over the head of many novice users, myself included. I could not possibly improve on a guide that is "Greek to me.
    Indeed, as I noted I may have lost touch with my "inner newb".

    Best wishes for trying.

    Still, I've always thought a picture was worth a thousand words, ... there was this picture (or one similar) for nomodeset:

    [click on image with mouse for larger view]

    Quote Originally Posted by wortham View Post
    It is not your fault that a 79 year old man on Linux for 8 years still wrestles with comprehension.
    You are doing well for maintaining your PC yourself. My 85-year old mother (who lives in a different continent from myself) uses Linux mostly (openSUSE-11.3) but unlike you where you do your own maintenance, my mother relies on me to log on to her computer's openSUSE (from across the ocean) and keep it up to date for her. When she needs guidance I take over her desktop and show her remotely how things are done.

    We chat 3 or 4 times a week using Skype under Linux, with a voice/video conference. Its great ! She typically asks computer questions then, and if necessary I will take over her desktop and give her a demonstration (while we chat over Skype) as I have set this up so she can see EVERYTHING I do remotely on her computer.

    Well done in getting as far as you have ...

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