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    Default 11.3 to 11.4 Upgrade - a mess

    Hello,
    i recently upgraded both my desktop and my notebook, both with various issues.

    Desktop:
    Uses an nvidia card with proprietary driver. The update neither pulls in the OSS driver nor offers me to install the proprietary driver (adding community repos during upgrade just gave me an empty list despite having a working network connecting).
    Of course, X wouldn't start anymore, because it still tried to use the proprietary driver.

    Notebook:
    Upgrade first went more smoothly, but then the Desktop was completely messed up.
    What you see here at the top of the screen are actually the applets from the control bar, that were just way too big and wrapped around the screen. I had to remove and re-add all of them and then fumble around with the control bar size for a while, until they were shrinked to the proper size.
    Also, sometimes the control bar is suddenly in some black look, until i touch the size (not related to compositing being (in-)active).

    Both:
    pulseaudio won't work properly. Multiple sources can't play at once and sometimes applications stop playing (and block) sound altogether. I learned that the hard way, when KAlarm didn't wake me up this morning...

    All in all KDE4 is still a mess. OK, kontact doesn't crash on EVERY start of KDE anymore, but it's still annoying me with "...is already running on another screen..," messages. But everything else is still crash-happy like good ol' Win95.

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    Default Re: 11.3 to 11.4 Upgrade - a mess

    there ia sticky with notes on how to avoid problems when doing the upgrade. Probably you didn't read it as I did and now we are paying the price. I was lucky on one of them to change a step which was good for my laptop, but my desktop video will go "bananas" when some applications are started(libreOffice for ex). I would suggest you give more details so people would understand how your problem was created and eventually provide a solution. I guess the ATI drivers are one of the problem and cannot find a way to reinstall them, do you have repository?
    good luck!

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    Default Re: 11.3 to 11.4 Upgrade - a mess

    What sticky? I didn't upgrade via zypper dup, i used the old fashioned upgrade option from the DVD.

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    Default Re: 11.3 to 11.4 Upgrade - a mess

    On 2011-03-16 23:36, maximAL wrote:
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    > Hello,
    > i recently upgraded both my desktop and my notebook, both with various
    > issues.


    You forgot to mention an important detail, the method used. On another
    message you said you used the old, dvd method.

    I would have a look with YaST package management to see if there are
    packages in blue or red, and update/downgrade those to the current version.

    Also, don't forget to run "rcrpmconfigcheck" and check that list (one by one).


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    Cheers / Saludos,

    Carlos E. R.
    (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" at Telcontar)

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    Default Re: 11.3 to 11.4 Upgrade - a mess

    Hello Carlos. I would appreciate a bit more input on this. I upgraded my system and got into some problems. I'm trying to figure out what to do and so far not much luck. Is not very bad but I have some issues. First of all I cannot run libreOffice or KRDC as my screen is a mess. The second one is the other user has no X window. I have some differences and some of them I could figure out but others are much harder and not sure which version should be kept. the rpm one or the file which is now newer than the rpm.
    dan@aruba:/home/dan:>rcrpmconfigcheck
    Searching for unresolved configuration files done
    Please check the following files (see /var/adm/rpmconfigcheck):
    /etc/pam.d/login.rpmnew
    /etc/papersize.rpmnew
    /etc/postfix/main.cf.rpmnew
    /etc/sane.d/dll.conf.rpmnew
    /etc/sysconfig/SuSEfirewall2.rpmnew
    /usr/share/fonts/encodings/encodings.dir.rpmsave
    /usr/share/fonts/truetype/fonts.dir.rpmorig
    /usr/share/fonts/truetype/fonts.scale.rpmorig
    /usr/share/kde4/config/kdm/kdmrc.rpmnew
    I'm concerned with SuSEFirewall which is important and it doesn't have as I can see some parameters setup the way the new one wants.
    If I merge them carefully adding the new variables and setting them up as the configuration i have would it fix my problems or "no chance in hell"? Or I should just install from scratch 11.4? Thank you.

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    Default Re: 11.3 to 11.4 Upgrade - a mess

    On 2011-03-18 01:06, dmera wrote:
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    > Hello Carlos. I would appreciate a bit more input on this. I upgraded my
    > system and got into some problems. I'm trying to figure out what to do
    > and so far not much luck. Is not very bad but I have some issues. First
    > of all I cannot run libreOffice or KRDC as my screen is a mess.


    Well, you have to remember what you did to configure the video in 11.3, and
    repeat the same in 11.4. I can not help you much with that part. You could
    have a look here:

    > <http://forums.opensuse.org/english/information-new-users/advanced-how-faq-read-only/438705-opensuse-graphic-card-practical-theory-guide-users.html>
    > <http://en.opensuse.org//SDB:Configuring_graphics_cards>





    > The
    > second one is the other user has no X window. I have some differences
    > and some of them I could figure out but others are much harder and not
    > sure which version should be kept. the rpm one or the file which is now
    > newer than the rpm.


    I don't understand this paragraph :-?

    > dan@aruba:/home/dan:>rcrpmconfigcheck
    > Searching for unresolved configuration files
    > done
    > Please check the following files (see /var/adm/rpmconfigcheck):
    > /etc/pam.d/login.rpmnew


    Ok, what I do is compare, line by line, automatically (diff --side-by-side
    --suppress-common-lines file1 file2) or manually both files, make a copy of
    both to another directory (/root/upgrade/11.4), then decide which one I
    want, and what I want from the other and edit accordingly.

    Yes, one by one, it is a bore, but has to be done.

    Actually, you have to keep doing this all the time you upgrade a single
    package, even because of a security update by YOU or zypper. The difference
    now is that with a system upgrade there can be a lot of these changed
    configuration files.

    This script runs on every boot.


    So, compare "/etc/pam.d/login.rpmnew" to "/etc/pam.d/login", and decide
    which to keep, and what new/old lines to copy over. The result you leave as
    "/etc/pam.d/login" and remove the other.

    > /etc/sysconfig/SuSEfirewall2.rpmnew


    In this one, I would (after making the backup copies of both), move
    SuSEfirewall2.rpmnew to SuSEfirewall2, edit the result bringing your old
    changes you did to SuSEfirewall2 you still have in the backup.

    > If I merge them carefully adding the new variables and setting them up
    > as the configuration i have would it fix my problems or "no chance in
    > hell"?


    No, I don't think any of those files have a big effect, maybe none, on what
    you name "a mess"

    > Or I should just install from scratch 11.4? Thank you.


    You have other alternatives yet. KDE doesn't work, ok, use another desktop,
    there are about half a dozen. Use any one and concentrate on your video system.

    Then, create a new user and test kde with that one.


    Another trick I use is that, before upgrading my main system, I also
    install a small partition with the new system, 11.4 in this case (I start
    earlier, with factory). This way I know if it will work, and later I can
    compare configurations of the updated system and the new one. To me it is
    worth the hassle, my work or main system is complicated.

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    Cheers / Saludos,

    Carlos E. R.
    (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" at Telcontar)

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    Default Re: 11.3 to 11.4 Upgrade - a mess

    Thank you Carlos for your detailed response.
    This paragraph :
    " The second one is the other user has no X window. I have some differences and some of them I could figure out but others are much harder and not sure which version should be kept. the rpm one or the file which is now newer than the rpm."
    I don't understand this paragraph :-?"
    should be something like this:
    The second problem I have is that the other user I have on the desktop when trying to connect has no X window.

    I have some differences shown by the rcrpmconfigcheck and I was able to correct some of them but others are much harder and not sure which version should be kept. the rpm one or the file which is now newer than the rpm.

    I think I will go with the easiest way for me which is to reinstall from disk everything. I will make a backup of some files that I need.
    Thanks again for your time.

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