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    Default Can someone decode this message for me...?

    Hi,

    If anyone can offer an explanation of what this Warning means and the implications or consequences of taking the offered alternatives, I'd be most grateful (and a little wiser).

    Regards, Martin

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    Default Re: Can someone decode this message for me...?

    On 03/16/2011 10:06 AM, martinprowe wrote:
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    > Hi,
    >
    > If anyone can offer an explanation of what this 'Warning'
    > (http://img.susepaste.org/34614352) means and the implications or
    > consequences of taking the offered alternatives, I'd be most grateful
    > (and a little wiser).


    it means that the thing you are wanting (or needing?) to install
    ("preload-kmp-desktop" [a kernel module, but i don't know why you
    want/need to install it]) will NOT run in the kernel which is
    currently installed/running (2.6.34.7)..

    so, you are offered three options:

    - remove your present kernel and DOWNgrade to a older one (2.6.31.5)
    [i couldn't possibly know the consequences of that--because i don't
    know what you have installed on your system, or if the kernel you have
    came with it, or if you have custom compiled the newer kernel to meet
    some special requirement you have, or if yours is a laptop or a rack
    mounted server in a distant county, or etc etc etc etc]

    - leave your kernel alone and NOT install preload-kmp-desktop [since i
    don't know what you are tying to install, where you got, or why you
    want/need it, i can't possibly tell you the consequences of not
    installing it, except: you won't have it]

    - leave your kernel alone and go ahead and install preload-kmp-desktop
    [it will NOT run in your kernel! so why install it?]

    perhaps you want to fill us in on the whats and whys of the wants or
    needs...if you need more specific consequences..

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    Default Re: Can someone decode this message for me...?

    perhaps you want to fill us in on the whats and whys of the wants or
    needs...if you need more specific consequences..
    Hi DenverD,

    Thank you for responding.

    The environment here, is that following a clean install of 11.3, I have the kupdateapplet running on my taskbar. From time to time, it pops up a message that "New Software is available for your system" - so - I drop into the YaST Install/Remove software and run "Update if newer versions available".

    In this scenario (and I'm sure its the case for many others), it seems to me that I have two choices: Not upgrade at all - or trust the OpenSUSE package managers, and run the upgrades as they become available. I currently adopt the latter policy - I have no idea what I'm doing! So, as you will be able to guess, picking from the three options is not easy!

    At the very highest level, my requirement is to try and keep my system up to date. If I opt to be selective, I am going to be constantly pestered by the kupdateappet? and the selection process is going to get even more convoluted!!
    Oh, and I don't want to break the Canon MP600 printer drivers that took me ages to get working (with the help of aztrix)

    If this not an impossible request, I'd like to find the "easy way"

    Regards, Martin

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    Default Re: Can someone decode this message for me...?

    On 03/16/2011 12:06 PM, martinprowe wrote:
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    > If this not an impossible request, I'd like to find the "easy way"
    >


    i've been doing the impossible for a long time, and usually do it
    pretty well....but, i don̈́'t think i can help you with "easy way"...

    i've never used one, but as far as i have been told the most "easy
    way" in IT is to buy an Apple Mac, but that is also the most expensive
    way....and, the next "easiest way" is probably considered by many to
    buy something sold by MS....but, like me you have elected to go a
    different way (yeah!)..

    'they' call it free and open source software, but it ain't free
    because instead of paying for Mac's "just works" WITH ease, you have
    to pay (with your own time) to learn how to administer your system..
    [with the Mac, i'm told, you get to be 'just' a user....NOT so, with
    either MS or open source...in those two you either take an active amd
    diligent role in administering your system, OR you buy a new machine
    every time the one you have stops working--OR you hire an
    administrator (aka: 'tech') to un-kink all the wires you, as 'just a
    user', balled up]..

    ok, IT Philosophy 101 complete, for now...and, so i turn to your
    'problem':

    first, the update app 'looks' at the software on your machine and
    compares it to the software in the openSUSE 11.3 *update* repo on some
    internet server...and, if the software on your machine is older than
    the software in the update repo it tells you about it...

    that is all it does!

    it can't decide for you if the software on your machine is what YOU
    need to (for example) support a business application critical to your
    livelihood, or to keep your favorite game ding-dinging as you like, or
    to stay compatible with your online banking security requirements, or
    to continue working with a Nokia phone or a Canon MP600 printer..

    and, if the update apt can't make the decision and the user has "no
    idea what I'm doing!" then it gets kinda sticky . . . kinda quickly..

    in _this_ situation, if it were my machine i would not let it change
    kernels, and i would not let it install a package which is known to
    not work with your kernel....and, the remaining choice is then to not
    install this piece of software..

    now, since (all/almost/most) everything in the update repo is a
    security patch or crippling bug fix (not a simple change in color
    scheme, or ding-ding setting) there is the high likelihood that by not
    updating your 11.3 it won't be as safe as you (and the openSUSE
    community) would like it to be......so, be careful....exercise all the
    good security practices i know you take already, everyday..

    note: i ran openSUSE 10.3 for over 15 months past its *last* security
    update and _never_ worried about its integrity or security for one
    minute! [but, i normally take a LOT of security precautions] so, it
    may NOT always be wise to just automatically install whatever the
    updater script says it has newer for you! instead, think about it..

    read about it....come here and ask about it...then decide..

    sorry, if my method irritates you....its the best i can do.

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    "It is far easier to read, understand and follow the instructions than
    to undo the problems caused by not." DD 23 Jan 11

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    Default Re: Can someone decode this message for me...?

    DenverD wrote:
    > On 03/16/2011 12:06 PM, martinprowe wrote:
    >>
    >> If this not an impossible request, I'd like to find the "easy way"
    >>

    > in _this_ situation, if it were my machine i would not let it change
    > kernels, and i would not let it install a package which is known to not
    > work with your kernel....and, the remaining choice is then to not
    > install this piece of software..


    Let me start by saying that I agree with DenverD's suggestion that
    selecting the second choice is the best thing to do.

    > now, since (all/almost/most) everything in the update repo is a security
    > patch or crippling bug fix


    What that message says is that the update is broken. Either within
    itself or because of something about the way your system is configured.
    So you need to find out why.

    I suggest that you start a new topic with the actual package mentioned
    in the subject instead of saying "this message". That way some people
    who have some idea of what's happening may spot the message.

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    Default Re: Can someone decode this message for me...?

    On 03/16/2011 02:34 PM, Dave Howorth wrote:
    > What that message says is that the update is broken. Either within
    > itself or because of something about the way your system is configured.
    > So you need to find out why.


    agree...i _guess_ (maybe assume is more correct) something that was
    done previously (maybe getting that %¤"& Cannon to print) may have
    caused a kernel change...

    but, certainly the update script is trying to do something that
    shouldn't be happening..

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    DenverD
    CAVEAT: http://is.gd/bpoMD
    [NNTP posted w/openSUSE 11.3, KDE4.5.5, Thunderbird3.1.8, nVidia
    173.14.28 3D, Athlon 64 3000+]
    "It is far easier to read, understand and follow the instructions than
    to undo the problems caused by not." DD 23 Jan 11

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    Default Re: Can someone decode this message for me...?

    DenverD wrote:
    > On 03/16/2011 02:34 PM, Dave Howorth wrote:
    >> What that message says is that the update is broken. Either within
    >> itself or because of something about the way your system is configured.
    >> So you need to find out why.

    >
    > agree...i _guess_ (maybe assume is more correct) something that was done
    > previously (maybe getting that %¤"& Cannon to print) may have caused a
    > kernel change...


    I think that kernel is just the normal current kernel for 11.3. I've
    seen weird things to do with preload recently (whatever preload is) such
    as it being broken in buildservice. And that preload package looks like
    it belongs to the original kernel that was shipped with 11.3. So
    something's out of whack.

    (caution - I didn't check the detailed release numbers)

    That's why I suggested an explicit thread so somebody who knows might
    see it.

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    Default Re: Can someone decode this message for me...?

    Quote Originally Posted by djh-novell View Post
    I suggest that you start a new topic with the actual package mentioned
    in the subject instead of saying "this message". That way some people
    who have some idea of what's happening may spot the message.
    Ah, yes.... That sounds like a step in the right direction. May I make one last request in this thread? In the light if my inexperience, could you approve (or improve) a suitable subject header?

    This is the text from the YaST description tab for the suggested upgrade:
    Code:
    kernel-default - The Standard Kernel
    
    The standard kernel for both uniprocessor and multiprocessor systems.
    Source Timestamp: 2010-12-13 11:13:53 +0100 GIT Revision: 4d4b10f46816e1f07295489b7e10352799e6aaf9 GIT Branch: openSUSE-11.3
    So, will "This Kernel Update is giving me a conflict message" and in the body of the message include susepaste links to the conflicts.txt and screenshot?

    Best regards, Martin

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    Default Re: Can someone decode this message for me...?

    martinprowe wrote:
    > This is the text from the YaST description tab for the suggested
    > upgrade:
    > Code:
    > --------------------
    >
    > kernel-default - The Standard Kernel
    >
    > The standard kernel for both uniprocessor and multiprocessor systems.
    > Source Timestamp: 2010-12-13 11:13:53 +0100 GIT Revision: 4d4b10f46816e1f07295489b7e10352799e6aaf9 GIT Branch: openSUSE-11.3
    > --------------------
    >
    > So, will "-This Kernel Update is giving me a conflict message-" and in
    > the body of the message include susepaste links to the conflicts.txt and
    > screenshot?


    I would try to work specifics into the title so I'd suggest something like:

    "11.3 kernel-default update gives conflict for preload-kmp-desktop"

    And I would copy all the text of the messages into the body of the
    posting rather than using links. Links mean people have to decide
    they're interested before they see what it is they might be interested
    in! And they're not searchable by readers in the future.

    Cheers, Dave

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    Default Re: Can someone decode this message for me...?

    A look at the active repos may be in order.

    zypper lr -d

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