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    Hi all,

    I've been trying to do an installation of SLES 11 on my MAC Mini (latest version) ... have had no problems what so ever with openSUSE.

    When trying to do the same installation with SLES 11 it is unable to find any of the two SATA drives. Have tried a number of things - fdisk -l only shows the connected USB CD/DVD drive ...

    Is there something I'm missing? What is openSUSE doing different to SLES 11 - they are supposed to be identical (other than support from Novell ...

    Can't really raise this question at Novell - so maybe some of you guys can give me an insight as to why ...

    Best regards - Wolf

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    Default Re: SLES 11 can't find SATA - openSUSE 11 does ... why?

    SLES 11 installer is based on openSUSE 11.1 I think
    What version of openSUSE are you actually using in this comparison?
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    Default Re: SLES 11 can't find SATA - openSUSE 11 does ... why?

    Hmmm ... hopefully I'm not comparing apples with oranges (no pun intended) - can't believe a (.) dot 3 version makes such a difference.

    I've tried openSUSE 11.3 - which worked fine. The SLES version I've tried is 11.0 I would stick with openSUSE but my requirement is to use the IBM JAVA version 1.4 which I tried to install but get an installation error (but that is another issue).

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    Default Re: SLES 11 can't find SATA - openSUSE 11 does ... why?

    SLE* and openSUSE aren't really identical or very close, even when matching versions are compared. The stuff in SLE* is pared down a lot to only things that are needed in enterprises because Novell has to support it for a long time.

    If you are having an issue with SLE*, you should raise it in the SLE* forums.

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    Default Re: SLES 11 can't find SATA - openSUSE 11 does ... why?

    On 03/14/2011 07:06 AM, wailadd wrote:
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    > Is there something I'm missing? What is openSUSE doing different to
    > SLES 11 - they are supposed to be identical (other than support from
    > Novell ...


    i think the main thing you are missing is a complete understanding of
    the relationship between openSUSE and SLE_:

    -first they are not supposed to be identical, never have been, never
    will be [perhaps you are thinking wrongly that the relationship here
    is the same as Red Hat to CentOS...its not, it is more like the
    connection of Fedora to Red Hat]

    -SLE_ is developed by Novell for the enteprise market based on the
    openSUSE code, but it is not 'just' openSUSE with paid support, not at
    all..

    there are a large number of differences...you have, apparently, found
    one difference (the newer code base in openSUSE version 11.? 'sees'
    SATA drives which SLES can not....but, _may_ in their next revision)

    but, if you have no problems with openSUSE why try install SLES
    anyway? as you won't get any security patches or updates after the
    trial period is over??

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    Default Re: SLES 11 can't find SATA - openSUSE 11 does ... why?

    I run IBM java on opensuse. 1.4 is very old and although I have run 1.4 in the past I am now running 1.6. I think that the old versions of IBM java used to fail installing the fonts for X. You could ignore the font problem and IBM java worked. I can't remember if 1.4 had update alternatives support, if not the installation becomes a little more complicated

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    Default Re: SLES 11 can't find SATA - openSUSE 11 does ... why?

    Hi all,

    thanks for your replies. Considering all the responses I now come to realise that there are differences to be expected between openSUSE and SLES but I wouldn't have expected such a dramatic difference already during the install.

    Surely it doesn't make a difference if I'm a private persone trying to install openSUSE or a Corporation trying to install SLES - both would be using a computer that has a hard drive. A SATA drive isn't something exotic and I really would have expected SLES to recognise it.

    @DenverD - Someone else in the Novell Forum also suggested that the kernel may not support the specific SATA drives (something about checking the PCI ID's). Need to figure out how to do that and then how to make SLES recognise the drives (boot parameter?) - anyone has any ideas?

    The reason why I'm trying to use SLES is simple. I need to install software that is officially only supported on SLES. This software is also only officially supported using IBM JAVA version 1.4 ...

    If I can get SLES and IBM JAVA 1.4 running first of all - I can install that software and test it. If all is well the next step would be trying to install and test it on openSUSE and IBM JAVA 1.4 (if I can get JAVA to install).

    All this will also help me see if openSUSE can function as full blown "SERVER Software" ... SLES (SUSE LINUX Enterprise Server) implies by its name it is "SERVER Software" - openSUSE doesn't. But does it mean openSUSE lacks Server ability? I don't believe so - but I want to establish that.

    I'm currently downloading SLES 11 SP1 and see if it behaves differently. Will post my results ...

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    Default Re: SLES 11 can't find SATA - openSUSE 11 does ... why?

    It's not that you can't run openSUSE as a server, many people do, it's that SLES comes with Enterprise support, paid for of course. This is important to some users. Also some software is only qualified for Enterprise Linux, e.g. SLES, RHEL and if you run it on something else, the vendor might not support you; you're on your own if it doesn't run as expected.

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    Default Re: SLES 11 can't find SATA - openSUSE 11 does ... why?

    On 2011-03-15 03:06, wailadd wrote:

    > Surely it doesn't make a difference if I'm a private persone trying to
    > install openSUSE or a Corporation trying to install SLES - both would be
    > using a computer that has a hard drive. A SATA drive isn't something
    > exotic and I really would have expected SLES to recognise it.


    SLES 11 is a bit old, it is based on opensuse 11.1. You see yourself how
    different 11.3 is... one year and a half development in Linux is a lot.
    With the service pack 1 you might be luckier.

    Some other thing, is that for certification your hardware has to be
    certified as well. There is a list of hardware certified to work with SLES
    11, anything different and you are out. Obviously, with certified hardware
    it will install without problems, or you can complain to somebody.


    > to make SLES recognise the drives (boot parameter?) - anyone has any
    > ideas?


    You have to ask them. But I would change the hardware without a doubt.

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    Default Re: SLES 11 can't find SATA - openSUSE 11 does ... why?

    On 03/15/2011 03:06 AM, wailadd wrote:
    > The reason why I'm trying to use SLES is simple. I need to install
    > software that is officially only supported on SLES. This software is
    > also only officially supported using IBM JAVA version 1.4 ...
    >[snip]
    > I'm currently downloading SLES 11 SP1 and see if it behaves
    > differently. Will post my results ...


    in your first post you said "Can't really raise this question at
    Novell" which is incorrect..

    if you install SLES 11 you automatically have xx days of support
    (maybe 60 or 90, i forgot) and they <forums.novell.com use same
    ID/Pass as here> will try to help you make it work (hoping you will
    purchase 'support'--which is not much, i think maybe half a cup of
    coffee a day, or less)..

    but, you don't have to purchase anything to run it forever if you
    wish...you just won't have access to security patches and bug fixes
    (so be careful where you use it and who has access to it, externally)..

    you can use it for 'free', though it would be nice if you contributed
    to FOSS in some way..

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