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    Default Strange issue with 11.3 and new AMD system

    This is my first post here so I'd like to say hello and thank you to anyone that is kind enough to respond. I'll try not to bore you but want to give as much information as possible to hopefully obtain a solution to my problem. I recently built a new rig. I've been with Intel Since the Pentium 3 but my first box was a k6-2-500. Remember those days? Anyway, I recently got a deal on a MB/CPU/MEM Combo so I find myself back to AMD and while everything runs perfectly under Windows, I'm having some annoying issues under Linux and am hoping that perhaps an adjustment will correct the issue.

    Windows is used primarily as my Gaming rig as well as various programs I use when composing music. Linux however, is my primary OS and I have been running OpenSuse -well it was just Suse back then- since V9. My previous system that I handed down to my son is a Core 2 e6750 with 4gb crucial ddr2 and an msi board with a 9800gtx+ and a SB card for audio. Both Windows and OpenSuse Linux performed wonderfully over the last 4 years on this machine. It still played every game I threw at it but my son was in serious need of an upgrade so I decided to kill two birds with one stone and build a new system. I will return this combo and most likely go i7 if I can't figure this out.

    Since I kept my Antec Case with 1000 Watt PS, I installed my old guts into my sons brand new Alien looking case that he selected. I performed fresh installations of both Windows and OpenSuse 11.3 on both machines the same day and currently have them running side by side. My new system is a Phenom II X4 955 with a biostar A780L3G board, 4gb Samsung ddr3, GTX-260 and a SB card for audio. The problem, I am having is when I run an application that may be somewhat taxing on the system, it hangs for a little bit but eventually recovers. For example, just running nvsettings for the graphics card I may be waiting up to 10 seconds for the application while the mouse cursor is frozen and I cannot do anything. I also noticed the same type of issue with vmware. If I minimize my virtual machine but then come back to it, the system will hang for up to 10 seconds and then be just fine. This gets really annoying especially when I have to wait 10 seconds for the system to come back. On the Windows side everything works great. No blue screens and the games are noticeably better compared to my old system.

    Any Ideas?

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    Since I kept my Antec Case with 1000 Watt PS, I installed my old guts into my sons brand new Alien looking case that he selected. I performed fresh installations of both Windows and OpenSuse 11.3 on both machines the same day and currently have them running side by side. My new system is a Phenom II X4 955 with a biostar A780L3G board, 4gb Samsung ddr3, GTX-260 and a SB card for audio. The problem, I am having is when I run an application that may be somewhat taxing on the system, it hangs for a little bit but eventually recovers. For example, just running nvsettings for the graphics card I may be waiting up to 10 seconds for the application while the mouse cursor is frozen and I cannot do anything. I also noticed the same type of issue with vmware. If I minimize my virtual machine but then come back to it, the system will hang for up to 10 seconds and then be just fine. This gets really annoying especially when I have to wait 10 seconds for the system to come back. On the Windows side everything works great. No blue screens and the games are noticeably better compared to my old system.

    Any Ideas?
    So cobaltss are you installing the nVIDIA proprietary video driver for your GTX-260? The driver settings program is called /usr/bin/nvidia-settings and not nvsdettings is why I ask. Here is the link about loadfing the driver the hard way:

    SDB:NVIDIA the hard way - openSUSE

    Further, I have a script file that can be helpful in installing the latest driver the hardware here:

    LNVHW - Load NVIDIA (driver the) Hard Way from runlevel 3

    Message #12 has the most recent version of lnvhw. I always use this method myself.

    Thank You,
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdmcdaniel3 View Post
    So cobaltss are you installing the nVIDIA proprietary video driver for your GTX-260? The driver settings program is called /usr/bin/nvidia-settings and not nvsdettings is why I ask. Here is the link about loadfing the driver the hard way:

    SDB:NVIDIA the hard way - openSUSE

    Further, I have a script file that can be helpful in installing the latest driver the hardware here:

    LNVHW - Load NVIDIA (driver the) Hard Way from runlevel 3

    Message #12 has the most recent version of lnvhw. I always use this method myself.

    Thank You,
    Its Nvidia settings found in System/configuration along with the nvidia-dock option. I should have been more specific since "nv" and "nvidia" make a difference, or used to. sysinfo:/ reports 3D driver: NVIDIA 260.19.36 but oddly enough I do not see the nvidia logo during boot. Could this be video related? I don't have this issue on my older core 2 system with 9800gtx+ so am curious about this system. The 260GTX is still pretty old compared to what else is out there so I question the video driver. I should note that even running sysinfo:/ will cause the system to "pause" or "hang" for about 5 seconds. My old system never did that.

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    Its Nvidia settings found in System/configuration along with the nvidia-dock option. I should have been more specific since "nv" and "nvidia" make a difference, or used to. sysinfo:/ reports 3D driver: NVIDIA 260.19.36 but oddly enough I do not see the nvidia logo during boot. Could this be video related? I don't have this issue on my older core 2 system with 9800gtx+ so am curious about this system. The 260GTX is still pretty old compared to what else is out there so I question the video driver. I should note that even running sysinfo:/ will cause the system to "pause" or "hang" for about 5 seconds. My old system never did that.
    Speaking of the sysinfo page, having a memory problem, disk read problem or a temp folder problem is more likely a culprit to slow down that page display and not video. Why not list all of the information given on that page for memory, free, swap, disks, free total, video driver, really all text on the screen for use to read. You might also include a listing of your /etc/fstab file.

    Thank You,
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdmcdaniel3 View Post
    Speaking of the sysinfo page, having a memory problem, disk read problem or a temp folder problem is more likely a culprit to slow down that page display and not video. Why not list all of the information given on that page for memory, free, swap, disks, free total, video driver, really all text on the screen for use to read. You might also include a listing of your /etc/fstab file.

    Thank You,
    Will do! It seems that whenever something is launched that may be a "tax" on the system, it does this. Same thing when trying to wine UT2004. Never on my core 2 did everything just pause for 10 seconds and then return.. Even when I insert a disc in the dvd drive, everything "stops" or "pauses" while it reads it and then returns to normal. During this time I cannot do anything as the mouse won't move and there is no response from the keyboard as well. Keep in mind everything works great on Win XP Pro SP3 fully updated.

    ------------------------------
    sysinfo


    CPU Information
    Processor (CPU): AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 955 Processor
    Speed: 800.00 MHz
    Cores: 4
    Temperature: 24 C

    Memory Information
    Total memory (RAM): 3.9 GiB
    Free memory: 1.3 GiB (+ 2.1 GiB Caches)
    Free swap: 2.0 GiB

    Disk Information
    Device
    Filesystem
    Total space
    Available space
    My Book ntfs-3g 465.8 GiB
    /dev/sdb1 vfat 3.8 GiB
    GTA IV Disc 1 udf 7.0 GiB
    / ext4 346.1 GiB 241.4 GiB
    104.7 GiB
    /dev/sda1 ntfs-3g 345.0 GiB

    OS Information
    OS: Linux 2.6.34.7-0.7-desktop x86_64
    Current user: admin@linux-m4jh
    System: openSUSE 11.3 (x86_64)
    KDE: 4.4.4 (KDE 4.4.4) "release 3"

    Display Info
    Vendor: nVidia Corporation
    Model: GeForce GTX 260
    2D driver: nvidia
    3D driver: NVIDIA 260.19.36

    -------------------------------------------------
    fstab

    /dev/disk/by-id/ata-Hitachi_HCS721075KLA330_GTE200P8G1P4EE-part2 swap swap defaults 0 0
    /dev/disk/by-id/ata-Hitachi_HCS721075KLA330_GTE200P8G1P4EE-part3 / ext4 acl,user_xattr 1 1
    proc /proc proc defaults 0 0
    sysfs /sys sysfs noauto 0 0
    debugfs /sys/kernel/debug debugfs noauto 0 0
    devpts /dev/pts devpts mode=0620,gid=5 0 0

    -------------------------------------------------------

    Thanks for your time dude, I really appreciate it!

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    Another thing I'd like to point out. I was just on youtube and when I try to maximize the display to fit my screen the system "pauses" BUT when it goes into full screen there is no picture, only sound. Are we back to video? Should I try my old 9800gtx+?

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    So I see a couple of things. One is the free memory:

    Free memory: 1.3 GiB (+ 2.1 GiB Caches)

    My Caches are less than half that. Now there have been a lot of discussions on the issues of memory usage and I do not see your swap file being used, based on what you posted, but one user discovered he was running a program Digikam, that actually had a known memory leak which was part of their problem. The System Monitor might give a clue there.

    Next, your 3.4 ghz CPU is running at 800 mhz. If this is a Laptop, that would be fine on Batteries or if heat is some kind of big issue, other wise you need to let the air out of this puppy and crank it up. The normal way to do that with KDE 4 these days is to actually go into YaST / Software / Software Management and search on Power and load the YaST-Power program. Once done, restart YaST. After loaded, go into YaST / System / System Service (Run Level) and enable the pm-profiler for levels 2, 3 & 5 and the give it a start. Next run YaST / System / Power Management and select Low Latency Computing and pick Finish. Now open up the sysinfo again and see if you are running at 3.4 GHZ and if that is making any difference for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdmcdaniel3 View Post
    So I see a couple of things. One is the free memory:

    Free memory: 1.3 GiB (+ 2.1 GiB Caches)

    My Caches are less than half that. Now there have been a lot of discussions on the issues of memory usage and I do not see your swap file being used, based on what you posted, but one user discovered he was running a program Digikam, that actually had a known memory leak which was part of their problem. The System Monitor might give a clue there.

    Next, your 3.4 ghz CPU is running at 800 mhz. If this is a Laptop, that would be fine on Batteries or if heat is some kind of big issue, other wise you need to let the air out of this puppy and crank it up. The normal way to do that with KDE 4 these days is to actually go into YaST / Software / Software Management and search on Power and load the YaST-Power program. Once done, restart YaST. After loaded, go into YaST / System / System Service (Run Level) and enable the pm-profiler for levels 2, 3 & 5 and the give it a start. Next run YaST / System / Power Management and select Low Latency Computing and pick Finish. Now open up the sysinfo again and see if you are running at 3.4 GHZ and if that is making any difference for you.

    Thank You,
    Well, all that got me is my fan running full speed but everything else is the same so problem not solved. sysinfo shows Speed: 3,200.00 MHz all the time now and not the 800 but isn't the cool and quiet feature supposed to be supported and ratchet up to necessary clock speeds on demand? it does on winblows. Is it possible my motherboard sucks? I don't blame AMD for this, I installed XP in 5 minutes and OpenSuse 11.3 in 13 minutes. My mainboard is cheap, perhaps it's ok for Windows but maybe Linux doesn't like it?

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    you gave a lot of info, but you missed (or i missed finding it) if you
    installed 32 or 64..

    i ask because i've seen folks around here mention a bug in the nvidia
    driver on 54 bit machines--BUT, i do not remember the symptoms of the
    bug (10 second pause, i don't know!) but i _guess_ a search of these
    fora (using the advanced search page or the google site specifier
    site:forums.opensuse.org) on something like

    site:forums.opensuse.org nvidia 64 bug "11.3" +"10 seconds" OR "ten
    seconds" +pause OR freeze

    might turn up some useful hits, maybe...have a look..

    also i missed finding if you have run YaST to update the system since
    initial install...i wonder about that because i think i remember when
    11.3 was new on the street there were some pause/hang issues that got
    fixed in one of the early updates..

    and, finally i missed seeing if you have checked the board maker's
    site to see if there has been a BIOS update which you might need to
    apply..

    oh, and why not open an instance of top in an xterminal and leave it
    were you can see it...then, when you have a freeze see what is listed
    as using the most cycles...AND, does it change as the system thaws..

    finally (again), have you looked at the logs to see if there are any
    bread crumbs/clues there?

    last (again) you didn't mention if this began from the very first
    minute after install, or did it work ok a while and then go sour..

    well, now i can't find if you are even running the open or closed
    nvidia driver...have you been here:

    http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Configuring_graphics_cards

    --
    DenverD
    CAVEAT: http://is.gd/bpoMD
    [NNTP posted w/openSUSE 11.3, KDE4.5.5, Thunderbird3.0.11, nVidia
    173.14.28 3D, Athlon 64 3000+]
    "It is far easier to read, understand and follow the instructions than
    to undo the problems caused by not." DD 23 Jan 11

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    Quote Originally Posted by DenverD View Post
    you gave a lot of info, but you missed (or i missed finding it) if you
    installed 32 or 64..

    i ask because i've seen folks around here mention a bug in the nvidia
    driver on 54 bit machines--BUT, i do not remember the symptoms of the
    bug (10 second pause, i don't know!) but i _guess_ a search of these
    fora (using the advanced search page or the google site specifier
    site:forums.opensuse.org) on something like

    site:forums.opensuse.org nvidia 64 bug "11.3" +"10 seconds" OR "ten
    seconds" +pause OR freeze

    might turn up some useful hits, maybe...have a look..

    also i missed finding if you have run YaST to update the system since
    initial install...i wonder about that because i think i remember when
    11.3 was new on the street there were some pause/hang issues that got
    fixed in one of the early updates..

    and, finally i missed seeing if you have checked the board maker's
    site to see if there has been a BIOS update which you might need to
    apply..

    oh, and why not open an instance of top in an xterminal and leave it
    were you can see it...then, when you have a freeze see what is listed
    as using the most cycles...AND, does it change as the system thaws..

    finally (again), have you looked at the logs to see if there are any
    bread crumbs/clues there?

    last (again) you didn't mention if this began from the very first
    minute after install, or did it work ok a while and then go sour..

    well, now i can't find if you are even running the open or closed
    nvidia driver...have you been here:

    SDB:Configuring graphics cards - openSUSE

    --
    DenverD
    CAVEAT: C A V E A T
    [NNTP posted w/openSUSE 11.3, KDE4.5.5, Thunderbird3.0.11, nVidia
    173.14.28 3D, Athlon 64 3000+]
    "It is far easier to read, understand and follow the instructions than
    to undo the problems caused by not." DD 23 Jan 11
    So when I run top from a term i see the following line jump to 100% cpu usage.
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------
    PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    1564 root 20 0 143m 48m 15m S 100 1.2 2:00.73 Xorg


    -I am running the 64 bit version of OpenSuse 11.3 fully updated after a fresh install.

    I checked for a bios update with the windows utility and I am up to date.

    I'm not sure I have the right video driver either since I don't see the nvidia logo. I do have the repository added and the drivers I appear to be using or are checked are...


    nvidia-gfxG02-kmp-desktop - NVIDIA graphics driver kernel module for GeForce 6xxx and newer GPUs

    x11-video-nvidiaG02 - NVIDIA graphics driver for GeForce 6xxx and newer GPUs

    xorg-x11-driver-video-nouveau - Accelerated Open Source driver for nVidia cards

    I also noticed that the following is showing red in Yast and cannot be updated..

    nvdock-1.02-0.pm.2.1.x86_64

    I'll have a look at that link about the driver.. Thanks for your help.

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