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    Default Thunderbird (Message Directory) - Samba Share - Linux OS and M$ Windows OS Installs

    Hoping someone may be able to tel me if this is possible to achieve and will there be problems?

    Linux Box with Samba running a shared directory SuSE Linux 11.2
    M$ Windows Vista & 7 Computers on the same network with mapped Drives to the network resource.

    Microsofts Windows Mail is installed on both the M$ Windows computers but M$ keep punching out updates that interferes with WinMail on Win7 and i have to manually get it working again, not difficult but a pain.

    Qustion: If i install Thunderbird on all three computers and change the message store location so that it is on the Mapped Drive (Samba's Network Share) will i be able to get my mail from all three computers without causing any problems?

    Mark

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    Default Re: Thunderbird (Message Directory) - Samba Share - Linux OS and M$ Windows OS Installs

    I would think so if you are accessing the mapped drive seamlessly from all computers.
    I had Win7, mepis and opensuse multi-booting on same computer with Thunderbird profile on a fat32 file and accesses from any system.
    Don't recall having any problems.

    I realize your configuration is more complex and will be interested in results as I have thought to try a similar setup.

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    Hi,

    Thank you for your reply, think i'm going to give it a go but was wondering if the way Thunderbird running on a Linux OS created and stored its Message database in a different way than Thunderbird running on a M$ Windows OS making it inaccessable in some way.

    Mark

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    Not going to happen, don't know why really.

    Thunderbird isn't the easiest mailing client to setup in the first place but getting thunderbird to use a different location for its message store is impossible.

    It just completly refuses to accept a different location.

    Having said that on the Linux box i did get thunderbird to accept a different location, but on restarting thunderbird it restores itself to the default location.

    forcing it to use the location i want it to use, where there are already some emails downloaded it refuses and redownloads the mail again!

    Thunderbird installed on the M$ Win7 box completely refuses to change the location of the message store, full stop.

    So no it isn't going to work for me.

    So when M$ finally get around to breaking Windows Mail on Win7 completely and i'm sure they will, probably with Win7 SP1 shortly i'll have to buy M$ Oulook (A very poor solution) or explore other alternative Mailing Clients but not Thunderbird.

    Thunderbird is an absolute pain to setup if your using a non standard POP3 set of settings (different UserNames and PassWords for different SMTP & POP3 servers)

    Bring back Windows Mail on Win7.

    Mark

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    Just tried Claws Mail, again i cannot get the program to change the message store location to where i want it to be and composing mail is in plain text only!

    Mutt is out

    Sea Monkey looks to me to be no different than Thunderbird so its out.

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    Does anybody know of a cross platform mailing client not unlike M$ Win Mail formally outlook express that will allow me to use:

    Non standard POP3 / SMTP Mail servers
    Allow me to change the default message store to a location on a Mapped Drive
    Have a Graphical User Interface
    Allow me to read and compose plain and rich text messages
    Simple Message folders (No silly duplications) All you need to see is the inbox, outbox drafts and trash and any other user defined folders / boxes
    No grouping of related messages, just a simple listing

    Such as Outlook Express or Windows Mail both fast becomming obsolete, Why!


    Mark

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    On 02/11/2011 03:06 AM, akwe-xavante wrote:
    >
    > Not going to happen, don't know why really.
    >
    > Thunderbird isn't the easiest mailing client to setup in the first
    > place but getting thunderbird to use a different location for its
    > message store is impossible.


    Actually quite easy on the Linux side. Just rename the .thunderbird
    directory in your home directory, then make a link pointing to the new
    location. Thunderbird won't know or care.

    This presupposes, of course, that you've already mounted the remote drive.


    > It just completely refuses to accept a different location.


    How did you go about trying?


    > Having said that on the Linux box i did get thunderbird to accept a
    > different location, but on restarting thunderbird it restores itself to
    > the default location.


    It shouldn't with a link. Be sure the Path= set in
    ~/.thunderbird/profiles.ini is pointing at the right location.
    For example: Path=lfidl4ba.default
    Rename the lfidl4ba.default directory to lfidl4ba.default.old
    and create the link with the same name to the new location.

    > forcing it to use the location i want it to use, where there are
    > already some emails downloaded it refuses and redownloads the mail
    > again!
    >
    > Thunderbird installed on the M$ Win7 box completely refuses to change
    > the location of the message store, full stop.


    Never tried to relocate it in Windows. Links are one of the things I
    miss the most in the Windows world. Best thing since bottled bread!


    > So no it isn't going to work for me.
    >
    > So when M$ finally get around to breaking Windows Mail on Win7
    > completely and i'm sure they will, probably with Win7 SP1 shortly i'll
    > have to buy M$ Oulook (A very poor solution) or explore other
    > alternative Mailing Clients but not Thunderbird.
    >
    > Thunderbird is an absolute pain to setup if your using a non standard
    > POP3 set of settings (different UserNames and PassWords for different
    > SMTP& POP3 servers)


    Don't know why you say that. At work I have mine pointed at our
    Exchange server and my personal email accounts at my ISP. Completely
    different systems, completely different usernames and passwords. Wasn't
    hard to set up at all.


    > Bring back Windows Mail on Win7.


    No thanks.

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    Kevin Miller - http://www.alaska.net/~atftb
    Juneau, Alaska
    In a recent survey, 7 out of 10 hard drives preferred Linux
    Registered Linux User No: 307357, http://counter.li.org

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    On 02/11/2011 04:36 AM, akwe-xavante wrote:
    >
    > Does anybody know of a cross platform mailing client not unlike M$ Win
    > Mail formally outlook express that will allow me to use:
    >
    > Non standard POP3 / SMTP Mail servers


    Non-standard in what sense?

    > Allow me to change the default message store to a location on a Mapped
    > Drive


    See my other post.

    > Have a Graphical User Interface


    Thunderbird.

    > Allow me to read and compose plain and rich text messages


    Other than Microsoft, email is generally sent in plain text or html.
    rich text (as used in the MS email sense) is a poor choice compatibility
    wise. Note that rich text email is somewhat different than the rich
    text you find in wordpad.

    > Simple Message folders (No silly duplications) All you need to see is
    > the inbox, outbox drafts and trash and any other user defined folders /
    > boxes


    That's pretty much what I see in t-bird.

    > No grouping of related messages, just a simple listing


    You can sort pretty much any way you want in t-bird. You don't have to
    go with the default configuration.

    > Such as Outlook Express or Windows Mail both fast becoming obsolete,
    > Why!


    Time marches on. MS will probably put out some sort of mail client.
    Whether they call it OE, or Windows Mail or whatever, it's all much of a
    muchness. Neither, of course, will ever run on Linux...


    ....Kevin
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    Juneau, Alaska
    In a recent survey, 7 out of 10 hard drives preferred Linux
    Registered Linux User No: 307357, http://counter.li.org

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    Hello Kevin,

    Firstly very nice to see you are in Juneau, spent in 8 months in Alaska and Canada on holiday in 1973 before the tourist trade marched in on you. Hope things haven't been destroyed.

    Getting Thunderbird working is a pain but achieveable just not easy and quick.

    I build new M$ Windows computers everyday and people want Outlook Express or Windows Mail on Win7 and by default you don't get either anymore.

    M$ have replaced these with Windows Live Mail which in my experience and my customers is an extreamly poor mailing client and more so if your running a business, not big business i'm talking about sole traders, plumbers, joiners, electricians etc etc.

    Many people don't like M$ Outlook for two reasons, it has to be paid for and secondly it does far to much and its too messy, the latter problem being the most complained about.

    I find it quicker and easier to Hack WinMail into Win7 and setup which is what the customer wants than installing and setting up Thunderbird. I've tried Thunderbird for them and i allways end up removing it several days later because they don't like it.

    I use WinMail on Win7 and its magic, i too hate Win Live Mail, its terrible.

    My Workshop is 350yds from my house and a pain to get into (Locks, alarms etc). It would be good on days evenings when i need to check mail to fire up my Laptop in the house to do so.

    I allso need to find an alternative to WinMail, something that has the look and feel of WinMail, something thats quick and easy to install and setup.

    Claws Mail appeared to be a winner, then i discovered that you can't get html or rich text mail, its only failure. Its quick and very easy to setup, it looks very much like WinMail and works in pretty much the same way too. People would go for this, some may not even notice the difference if it had html mail.

    Thunderbird takes far too long to install and setup and looks all wrong and is far too different, if your right and it can be customised to look and work more like WinMail very quickly then i can give it a go but what would happen everytime theres an update! I would suspect everything would change back to a default install, not good at all.

    I'm looking for something for myself and i'm looking for something to replace WinMail on Win7 at the same time (For myself, if i can get something that will run on Linux and M$ Windows working from a message store located on a mapped drive and have html / rich text, that would be fantastic).

    I never thought of using a symlink on the Linux box, i'm kicking myself for that one but i'm still left with Thunderbird on M$ Windows unable to use a mapped drive. I can change the message store to anywhere i want to otherwise, but not a mapped drive.

    Some of the other cross platform mailing clients i've tried are the same, Claws Mail however is brilliant but again no html or rich text, its only flaw.

    I have a signature to my mail that contains images and hyperlinks and most business customers do too. Invoices and reciepts often come as html / rich text or as pdf's.

    Mark

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    On 2011-02-11 13:06, akwe-xavante wrote:
    >
    > Not going to happen, don't know why really.
    >
    > Thunderbird isn't the easiest mailing client to setup in the first
    > place but getting thunderbird to use a different location for its
    > message store is impossible.


    Huh? I think it works in Linux - at worst, use symlinks. I did that time
    ago, worked for years.

    I think it asks, the very first time you start it, where the mail storage
    should be. Then, on each account, you can configure each folder where it
    will be: edit, account settings, server settings, "local directory" is the
    global setting for that account; and in "copies and folders", you can
    configure each folder.

    This is in Linux, I haven't a windows client configured at the moment.

    However, there is another method better than using a sama share: using a
    local network imap server, like dovecot (in linux, obviously). This allows
    you to use the same mail folders from one or several mail clients, be it
    linux or windows, simultaneously, from one or several computers. You can
    have a machine using thunderbird in Linux or windows, and another using
    outlook. Each person can choose the client they like most. Or several.

    Using an imap server is the "native" method for any mail client worth of
    that name, works much better than exporting disk shares. Less network
    traffic. Safer when there are network hiccups.

    > Thunderbird is an absolute pain to setup if your using a non standard
    > POP3 set of settings (different UserNames and PassWords for different
    > SMTP & POP3 servers)


    Absolutely not. I'm writing this in thunderbird (yes, on the forum), and I
    have about half a dozen different mail accounts and some identities more.
    Some are pop, some imap, some local, some remote, some in Spain, some in
    the USA...

    --
    Cheers / Saludos,

    Carlos E. R.
    (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" at Telcontar)

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