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    Default Re: 11.2 partition isolation issue

    And that panel Places also show somehing like Network??? Should that look if my eth0 is up???????
    I was a bit sarcastic here. But I still wonder what that Network is supposed to do?
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    On 2010-12-28 11:36, hcvv wrote:

    > they are mounted by hand or not?) and another one looks at what is
    > mounted. It is a mess.


    Yes, it is. But, I think that gnome simply ignores an entry listed in
    fstab. It does not look at the noauto: if the partition is listed, then it
    is not my task to mount it, that's all. I don't get an icon for it, so
    that's perfect.

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    That is a + for Gnome then. When you mean "gnome simply ignores an entry listed in fstab" do you mean it does not use fstab? Then the noauto is not applicable anymore.

    (I would not know why it should look there, a file manager has nothing to do with partitions).
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    Quote Originally Posted by hcvv View Post
    Well, you have realy ventured deep into HAL.

    I am afraid that even when HAL disappears, this behaviour of showing the wrong things in File managers and the like will continue, because the designers of these software tools took the decission that it is a feature to show these partitions. Thus they will find ways to continue this in spite of HAL disappearing.

    To the OP @nospam999 (if (s)he is still following this thread): It seems that you have some supporters in your idea that these partitions should not be shown to end-users. I am however afraid that the Windows way of having things has crept to much into the minds of those who make tools like Dolphin and thus there is almost no chance to have this changed.

    You have also seen that there are ways to get what you want, but they keep your constant attention to keep things up-to-date and will most certainly have to be changed in future levels of the tools as they adapt their non-features to new ways of working.
    <sigh> But Windows (at least up to W2K) is too stupid to know about filesystems other than FAT and NTFS so Unix filesystems are safe.

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    I Like seeing all the partitions and be able to mount on the fly if I need them. But I'm sole user of the machine. I can see that in some circumstances you might not want these to be listed to the user even though they can not mount them without root permissions. So this needs to be a user level with a default system level option that is easer to implement then editing HAL policy files.

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    On 2010-12-28 16:06, hcvv wrote:
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    > That is a + for Gnome then. When you mean "gnome simply ignores an entry
    > listed in fstab" do you mean it does not use fstab? Then the -noauto- is
    > not applicable anymore.


    No no, I mean it reads the file, and then ignores the partitions listed
    there. It does not put an icon to click and mount them. I only see the
    floppy, an encripted partition, and one named "0" which I don't know where
    it is at this moment (it says "multi-disk device").

    The rationale is that, if a partition is listed in fstab, it is not the
    task of the desktop to offer mount them, it is something for the administrator.

    We don't have a global setup where the administrator can decide policies:
    what to offer the users. Perhaps the user may need to mount or not a partition


    > (I would not know why it should look there, a file manager has nothing
    > to do with partitions).


    I'm not sure. Perhaps it makes things easier for new, home, users. But it
    does things more difficult for system properly administered. So we need a
    method to apply mandatory policies, used by all desktop systems.

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    Perhaps it makes things easier for new, home, users.
    You forgot to add something:
    Perhaps it makes things easier for new,used to Windows, home, users.
    because imho that is the problem. please_try_again said it earlier in this thread:
    Dolphin, nautilus, Thunar and others are all pieces od the same kind of ... whatever you can figure out ... and all suffer from the Windows syndrom: making the user interface as friendly as possible and automounting, autoshowing, autoKISSing as many things as possible.
    We are on the wromg way here. Instead of trying to teach how it should work, every effort is put in letting it malfunction "because that is how it is in Windows".
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    On 2010-12-28 23:06, hcvv wrote:

    >> Perhaps it makes things easier for new, home, users.

    > You forgot to add something:
    >> Perhaps it makes things easier for new,used to Windows, home, users.


    :-)

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    Speaking of nautilus ... try and find the differences between these two pictures!

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    Well, both Places panels are full of riddles to me.
    Henk van Velden

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