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    Default Re: Wife orders new PC with no OS ... possible openSUSE candidate

    Quote Originally Posted by oldcpu View Post
    I note Ubuntu users who claim they installed win7 AFTER installing Ubuntu and it worked: How to Dual boot Ubuntu and Windows 7 (Ubuntu installed first) .... Plus there are guides for restoring Ubuntu's boot manager (for legacy grub) after installing Windows7: Restore legacy grub after Win7 install
    Here is another example: Installing Windows 7 alongside XP and Ubuntu Chris Matchett in this case the user had both Linux and WinXP, and they installed Win7 (beta) as a 3rd OS. Granted they had to restore the MBR afterward ....

    ... so I'm puzzling over this, as I suspect the user (in this new post I quoted) left out a lot of details ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ken_yap View Post
    I don't know about installing W7 but you needn't worry that it will find the XP inside a VBox image. VBox installs live inside files on the host's filesystem, and it's extremely unlikely that W7 will mount the Linux filesystem and then look for an XP install on it.

    So your problem boils down to installing W7 after Linux. If you were intending to transfer files out of XP to W7, then that's another problem but quite solvable. With a flash memory stick, for example.
    My only concern re: winXP is having the entire Linux partition (containing the winXP virtual session) wiped by win7. Of course a backup ensures protection against that, but having to restore 40 GB to 50 GB from backup does take some time (plus repointing Virtual Box after restoring from backup).

    A minor frustration in reading up on win7 installs, is the term "drive" is often used interchangeably with the term "partition" when in fact they are not the same. So when they say win7 wipes the entire 'drive', what they really mean to say in many cases is win7 wipes the entire selected 'partition'.

    Here is another interesting point on win7 : Ubuntu Forums - View Single Post - Windows unallocated nearest partition where it notes:
    for windows 7 if you dont first preformat the space to ntfs, you plan to use if you dont it unallocates your nearest partition.

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    Default Re: Wife orders new PC with no OS ... possible openSUSE candidate

    Quote Originally Posted by jdmcdaniel3 View Post
    You know FlameBait, you could be brilliant and you don't even know it. oldcpu said they had an extra 300GB hard drive they would be saving.
    Use of the second 300GB drive (which is about 3 years old) is a viable option to work around some of the complexity. I need to check to see if this drive is SATA or IDE, as sometimes Linux struggles with having both SATA and IDE on the same PC (SATA controller chipset dependant).

    Of course, even IF I earmark the 300 GB drive as an option to solve win7 problems, I'm not "calling the shots" here, but my wife is , and she may have other designs/plans for this 300 GB drive.

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    Default Re: Wife orders new PC with no OS ... possible openSUSE candidate

    Yes, but it's got nothing to do with XP, that's just W7 menacing Linux.

    There's no need to repoint anything. XP lives totally within the VBox file in Linux. Restoring Linux restores XP. That is, assuming you didn't assign XP a real partition but a virtual disk that is actually a Linux file, which is the default.

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    Default Re: Wife orders new PC with no OS ... possible openSUSE candidate

    Quote Originally Posted by jdmcdaniel3 View Post
    I don't agree with having more than one NTFS partition. Let it be Windows or Not, but have two of the same type on the same drive does not make sense to me.
    Me too, ... BUT my wife figures she will be re-installing win7 multiple times (based on her winXP experience) and so she wants a separate NTFS for data that will not be touched by 'clean' win7 re-installs.

    Quote Originally Posted by jdmcdaniel3 View Post
    I would consider loading a standard MBR and putting the grub loader into the extended partition drive holder. It appears you can do this and not mess up the logical drives within. As for the main openSUSE partition, I suggest it be 40 GB and then the rest into /home. The Extended partition should be last in my estimation. That would look like this:

    MBR - Generic Booting Code
    sda1 100 MB System, (Active when installed), Primary
    sda2 299.9 GB Windows,Primary
    sda3 2 GB Primary,SWAP
    sda4 200 GB Primary, (Active after you install openSUSE), Grub Loaded, Extended Partition
    sda5 40 GB Logical Drive, / openSUSE partition
    sda6 160 GB Logical Drive, /home Partition
    Assuming the 300GB 2nd drive can't be used, then after pondering this some more, I am thinking of recommending the following configuration to my wife, BEFORE win7 gets installed:

    MBR - Generic Booting Code
    sda1 - 150 GB NTFS primary - blank but formatted as NTFS
    sda3 - 2 GB primary - swap
    sda4 - 348 GB Primary, active after install openSUSE, Grub loaded, Extended partition
    sda5 - 150 GB Logical Drive - NTFS partition
    sda6 - 25 GB Logical Drive - / openSUSE partition
    sda7 - 173 GB Logical Drive - /home openSUSE partition

    And then when installing win7, point it to the sda1 which hopefully it will carve up into two separate partitions.

    I'm also tempted to NOT put the swap as a primary, but rather move it to the extended area, which would mean instead:

    MBR - Generic Booting Code
    sda1 - 150 GB NTFS primary - blank but formatted as NTFS
    sda4 - 350 GB Primary, active after install openSUSE, Grub loaded, Extended partition
    sda5 - 2 GB extended - swap
    sda6 - 150 GB Logical Drive - NTFS partition
    sda7 - 25 GB Logical Drive - / openSUSE partition
    sda8 - 173 GB Logical Drive - /home openSUSE partition

    I need to surf to see if there are performance hits when having swap on extended. Given her PC is to have 6GB of RAM, I suspect it does not matter where the swap is located (but I don't know for certain).

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    Default Re: Wife orders new PC with no OS ... possible openSUSE candidate

    Quote Originally Posted by ken_yap View Post
    Yes, but it's got nothing to do with XP, that's just W7 menacing Linux.
    Yes, agree.

    Quote Originally Posted by ken_yap View Post
    There's no need to repoint anything. XP lives totally within the VBox file in Linux. Restoring Linux restores XP. That is, assuming you didn't assign XP a real partition but a virtual disk that is actually a Linux file, which is the default.
    Thats the plan. ... Yes, if Linux is wiped, I could simply copy (from backup) the restored Virtual Image of WinXP to the location where any re-installed openSUSE keeps its Virtual images (for Virtual Box).

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    Default Re: Wife orders new PC with no OS ... possible openSUSE candidate

    Putting swap on an extended partition shouldn't have any overhead. All the swapper cares about is a range of blocks it can use, which the logical partition certainly will be.

    In fact in Linux you can even use a swap file instead of a swap partition with very little effect on performance.

    And given that you will have heaps of memory, swap will hardly ever be needed.

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    @oldcpu -> I love the fact that your wife knows exactly what she wants for her setup, and she is getting a pretty sweet rig right there... good luck with getting it setup properly (I am also one of the Windows first, Linux second type people for a dual boot, and in my experience with Windows 7 if you are careful re-installs are not that common)...


    Regards
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    Default Re: Wife orders new PC with no OS ... possible openSUSE candidate

    Quote Originally Posted by oldcpu View Post
    Use of the second 300GB drive (which is about 3 years old) is a viable option to work around some of the complexity. I need to check to see if this drive is SATA or IDE, as sometimes Linux struggles with having both SATA and IDE on the same PC (SATA controller chipset dependant).
    My wife had to go to work this weekend, so I jumped on her old PC (that she will be giving away), booted to openSUSE-11.3, and ran the following to get some more information:
    Code:
    df -Th
    /sbin/lspci -nnk
    hwinfo > hwinfo.txt
    and checked out hwinfo.txt with a text editor.

    1st note, ... her primary drive in her old PC is an 80GB IDE drive (Western Digital Caviar IDE) that will stay in the old PC. It is the Primary IDE master in her old PC.

    2nd note, ... She has no extra '300 GB' drive, but rather her second drive is in fact a '500 GB' drive (and not 300 GB) and it is the primary IDE slave drive in her old PC. This second drive is also an IDE drive (Ultra ATA/100 interface - more precisely, the second drive is a Baracuda 7200-10 Ultra ATA/100 500GB - ST3500630A).

    So there is a risk openSUSE may struggle with having both a SATA and an IDE drive in same PC. And there is also a risk that win7 may struggle with having both a SATA and an IDE drive in same PC. So even though having a spare 500GB drive is nice, it may not be practical to put this drive in her new PC.

    I'll have to 'play this by ear' and not count on this being usable in my planning (although it may work).

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    Default Re: Wife orders new PC with no OS ... possible openSUSE candidate

    You can buy SATA to IDE converters. But it may not be worth the trouble, disks are so cheap now.

    In fact, why not plan to install W7 and Linux on separate disks, that may save you lots of hassle for a small expense.

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