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  1. #31
    Carlos E. R. NNTP User

    Default Re: graphical root login no longer allowed after update from KDE4.5.0 to KDE 4.5.1

    On 2010-09-15 22:36, Knurpht wrote:

    >> I can log in as root, it works, but I never need to use it. Exception:
    >> configure root's desktop
    >> features like fonts or single/double clicks. After done, exit.

    >
    >
    > can be done by 'kdesu systemsettings', like kdesu allows you to run any
    > app with root permissions.


    Provided you know the name... one of the reasons is just that, seeing the menu. And those things run
    better with the full desktop.

    Another is that each time you call a single (kde) root app, the kde environment has to be loaded.
    Then you exit that program and start another: the environment dies and has to be started again. This
    takes time.

    It is not the case, as I seldom have to use graphical tools as root >:-)

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  2. #32
    Carlos E. R. NNTP User

    Default Re: graphical root login no longer allowed after update from KDE4.5.0 to KDE 4.5.1

    On 2010-09-15 23:06, VolkerBause wrote:

    > While
    > "kdesu" is more than adequate for daily operations it is a drag when you
    > try to get things done.


    I never use kdesu.

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    Default Re: graphical root login no longer allowed after update from KDE4.5.0 to KDE 4.5.1

    VolkerBause wrote:
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    > In terms of the "kdesu" command. It takes time


    alias k='kdesu'

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    Default Re: graphical root login no longer allowed after update from KDE4.5.0 to KDE 4.5.1

    by the way, others from my /etc/bash.bashrc.local (yes i am lazy):

    alias a='atop'
    alias c='clear'
    alias g='gnomesu'
    alias k='kdesu'
    alias lsd='ls -hal | less'
    alias m='mc'
    alias ms='su - root -c /usr/bin/mc'
    alias o='less'
    alias rm='rm -i'
    alias rmdir='rmdir -i'
    alias s='su -'
    alias stop='shutdown -h now'
    alias t='top'
    alias unmount='echo "Error: Try the command: umount" 1>&2; false'
    alias x='exit'
    alias you='su - -c "/sbin/yast2 online_update"'

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  5. #35
    Carlos E. R. NNTP User

    Default Re: graphical root login no longer allowed after update from KDE4.5.0 to KDE 4.5.1

    On 2010-09-16 08:58, DenverD wrote:
    > VolkerBause wrote:
    >>
    >> In terms of the "kdesu" command. It takes time

    >
    > alias k='kdesu'


    Notice that if you open a GUI program like that, do your things, close it, then start another via
    kdesu, that the KDE libraries and daemon/services needed are started and closed several times: this
    takes time. This is the advantage of login as root.


    I simply open a terminal, run "su -", and run all root apps from there. I don't close the terminal
    till I finish - if I do. I may have several root xterms opened, for the different things I need doing.

    Trick: in the first root xterm, I run "xterm &" to get a second or more root's xterm. That way I
    don't have to type my password so many times.

    And seldom I use GUI programs as root: the "hatred" you people have of root GUI login I have of
    using things like konqueror/doplhin/nautilus as root. I use "mc" instead all the time. Fast and
    reliable.

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    Default Re: graphical root login no longer allowed after update from KDE4.5.0 to KDE 4.5.1

    Carlos E. R. wrote:

    > Notice that if you open a GUI program like that, do your things,
    > close it, then start another via kdesu, that the KDE libraries and
    > daemon/services needed are started and closed several times: this
    > takes time. This is the advantage of login as root.


    see, i didn't know that open/close thing...thanks..



    > I simply open a terminal, run "su -", and run all root apps from
    > there. I don't close the terminal till I finish - if I do. I may
    > have several root xterms opened, for the different things I need
    > doing.


    the fact is i most often use "su -" also, but know there are many here
    who wanna run the things they are comfortable with, as root and i feel
    obligated to tell them how to do that easily *without* logging into
    KDE as root..


    > Trick: in the first root xterm, I run "xterm &" to get a second or
    > more root's xterm. That way I don't have to type my password so
    > many times.



    HEY! i learn two things in one day! thanks!
    (soon, i will have learned it all


    > And seldom I use GUI programs as root: the "hatred" you people have
    > of root GUI login I have of using things like
    > konqueror/doplhin/nautilus as root. I use "mc" instead all the
    > time. Fast and reliable.


    i've been using Norton Commander (in DOS), File Commander (in Warp)
    and Midnight Commander (in Linux) since 'forever'....i don't run any
    GUI 'file managers' as the superuser either....but, i find kwrite as
    root convenient enough to offset my copy/paste problems with mc..

    btw, did you notice my alias (ms) to directly launch mc with root powers?

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  7. #37
    Carlos E. R. NNTP User

    Default Re: graphical root login no longer allowed after update from KDE4.5.0 to KDE 4.5.1

    On 2010-09-17 18:21, DenverD wrote:
    > Carlos E. R. wrote:



    > HEY! i learn two things in one day! thanks!
    > (soon, i will have learned it all


    X'-)

    >> And seldom I use GUI programs as root: the "hatred" you people have
    >> of root GUI login I have of using things like
    >> konqueror/doplhin/nautilus as root. I use "mc" instead all the
    >> time. Fast and reliable.

    >
    > i've been using Norton Commander (in DOS),


    I used there "xtree", I liked it over Norton Commander. There was a linux clone, too, but not
    powerful enough. Mc is very good.

    > File Commander (in Warp)
    > and Midnight Commander (in Linux) since 'forever'....i don't run any
    > GUI 'file managers' as the superuser either....but, i find kwrite as
    > root convenient enough to offset my copy/paste problems with mc..


    kwrite, puagh :-P

    What copy paste problem? In the same file? Use F3...F3, then F5. From a different file? That's what
    I use two xterms for: I select the text in one, with the mouse. Switch to the other, and
    shift-middle_mouse pastes the highlighted text. At least in xterm and gnome-terminal it works, dunno
    about konsole.

    Notice that the "shift" is needed: if not, mc intercepts the mouse click as intended for himself. Is
    that why it did not work for you?

    > btw, did you notice my alias (ms) to directly launch mc with root powers?


    Nope, I didn't. I do now :-)

    I can have several xterms with mc opened, some as user, some as root. As I open one from another
    without typing the password, I just need "mc".

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    Default Re: graphical root login no longer allowed after update from KDE4.5.0 to KDE 4.5.1

    you have mail [to robin.listas]

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    Why is time a parameter here? How many times do you guys have to work as root anyway?

    It leaves me puzzled how many opinions are wasted on how to save time when becoming root - and how it leads to rather strange concepts. I too think that it is up to the specific user whether he wants to log into a GUI as root, but it definitely does not save time. When I am working as a user and want to do an administrative task, I just do 'su -' or 'kdesu' and that's it, no need to log out, log in as root, doing those tasks and then logging in as user again (I think Microsoft-systems (at least until XP) do it this way and I always found that to be rather cumbersome), the cool thing about Linux is that root and user can work at the same time.

    I still think it is up to the OP to decide that, he stated quite clearly that he knows about the risks (and there's definitely no need to add non existing risks such as "just browsing in your home directory while logged into KDE/Gnome/etc as root can lock you out later as yourself due to permissions damage", DenverD: this is just plain *wrong*).

  10. #40

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    How much time, clutter and effort depends on the situation and person.

    I fully agree that under normal circumstances, KDE "root" or administrative login under GUI is not necessary and should therefore be used with caution (If you are a newcomer or not is irrelevant).

    Best practice is not to subject yourself to "root" or administrative privileges, be it GUI or "kdesu" or "su" or any other means unless necessary. That does not mean or suggest that this privilege should be taken away because somebody else deems it safe(r) or unnecessary.

    If just 0.01% of Linux users find logging in to the GUI using "root" privileges useful and considering there are perhaps a billion computers in the world of which Linux has a 2-3% market share, I believe we are speaking of about 20000-30000 people that might find "root" login useful. Obviously there are different Desktop Managers, different distributions etc. etc. in Linux and many computers are to old to run the latest version of KDE etc.

    Please don't start a new discussion on any points mentioned. In my opinion there exist no exact facts to back this up as I found when I looked this up. Just visit Personal computer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Obviously I cannot back this up but it leaves some room for thought and when discontinuing or disabling features, obviously this can result in a mayor support issue for the developers if they need to fix things by re-implementing features that were working perfectly well.

    I am all for change but only if it makes sense. Why remove features which are being used by some (Like myself) and probably the reason why you are visiting this threat. Their is no point arguing about what is best and for whom. Just because you don't eat meat, you should not expect everybody else to be vegetarian!

    Unless you have something positive to contribute (e.g. using aliases to ease administration), don't contribute at all.

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