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    Angry Replacing SLED 10 SP1 with OpenSuse 11

    I have recently purchased an MSI U100 Netbook with SLED10 & upgraded to SP1. I have had a number of issues trying to upgrade to SP2. So many I had to go back to factory settings & re-upgrade to SP1!
    I spend several hours daily trying to resolve basic usability issues with internet and multimedia. This is not how I wish to spend the next 12 months traveling with the Netbook. I am at a point where I am about to take the easy option, ditch SLED & install Windows XP OS on the Netbook. I would rather stick with the Linux base if i can...
    ...so

    • Is it possible for me to download OPENSuse 11 on the SLED 10.1 OS without and dependency conflicts?
    • Is it advisable?
    • Will many of my multimedia issues disappear [I can't even upload .jpeg, .avi or .mov files from my camera to my blog and my generic MP3 player is not recognised even as a mass storage device ]
    • Would I have to completely uninstall SLED to install OpenSuse or are they compatible? If I have to uninstall how?!


    Any help would be appreciated - Novell support haven't responded to any of my basic support questions

    J

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    Default Re: Replacing SLED 10 SP1 with OpenSuse 11

    janinecdavies wrote:

    >
    > I have recently purchased an MSI U100 Netbook with SLED10 & upgraded to
    > SP1. I have had a number of issues trying to upgrade to SP2. So many I
    > had to go back to factory settings & re-upgrade to SP1!
    > I spend several hours daily trying to resolve basic usability issues
    > with internet and multimedia. This is not how I wish to spend the next
    > 12 months traveling with the Netbook. I am at a point where I am about
    > to take the easy option, ditch SLED & install Windows XP OS on the
    > Netbook. I would rather stick with the Linux base if i can...
    > ..so
    >
    >
    > - Is it possible for me to download OPENSuse 11 on the SLED 10.1 OS
    > without and dependency conflicts?


    Do you mean install? No... this is NOT possible, not recommended and even
    if forced, will surely leave things unusable. You can't even do openSUSE
    10.3 on top of it.... just won't work.

    > - Is it advisable?


    No... see above.

    > - Will many of my multimedia issues disappear [I can't even upload
    > .jpeg, .avi or .mov files from my camera to my blog and my generic MP3
    > player is not recognised even as a mass storage device ]
    > - Would I have to completely uninstall SLED to install OpenSuse or
    > are they compatible? If I have to uninstall how?!


    openSUSE != SLED. In it's GA configuration, openSUSE 10.1 is the closest to
    SLED 10 and there's enough compatibility there that LIMITED package installs
    (e.g. some of that wondrous packman stuff) will work just fine. I always
    make sure to mirror the packman repos locally that "go with" the
    corresponding SLED/SLED version levels. There's always some risk with that
    of course. Since openSUSE 10.1 was EOL'd, getting those community repos can
    be difficult now.

    >
    >
    > Any help would be appreciated - Novell support haven't responded to any
    > of my basic support questions


    Do you pay? They'll only answer support if you have a support agreement and
    you get only so many days of install support before it regresses to
    requiring the fuller support subscription (to get fuller support that is...
    I know, it's confusing... I'm confusing...).

    My recommendation, just based off of my own experience. openSUSE is a
    better fit for MOST desktops, just because it's newer, fresher and CAN
    support new things... SLED will work, but ONLY for a class of machinery that
    has been certified to work with it... and because it gets stale quickly, new
    + SLED doesn't work for long (SP refreshes help a bit... but not for
    everything... SLED 11 SP1 because it's a more radical refresh might actually
    work ok for you... for NOW... it will get stale. Latest SP on 10 isn't
    going to handle a LOT of new things out there... it just won't).

    So.. in a corporate world where laptops are purchased in bulk and for a long
    duration, SLED CAN actually work. But that's NOT the style of most SMBs
    I've seen, only the large enterprises.

    Now... if audio/video are not key (which I believe they are in your case)
    and direct access to dynamically changing peripherals isn't needed, then you
    could do what I do where I work (used to work, still work, yet I don't, but
    I do) and that's virtualize the desktop. Put your openSUSE 11.3 (for
    example, could be openSUSE 10.x... but that's dying rapidly) onto a
    hypervisor. The nice thing is that a hypervisor is an architecture of LONG
    duration.... so "newness" doesn't come into play and VMs tend to just work
    .... well... I won't say forever, but longer than any typical desktop
    strategy. Thus your front end laptop can be WHATEVER (e.g. openSUSE, SLED,
    Windows, etc) and you just remote desktop in (e.g. using NX to FreeNX,
    recommended) to get to your REAL desktop. This has a TON of advantages
    since loss or damage to the front end doesn't affect the valuable data.
    However, because of speed and latency issues, multimedia will never (I
    repeat... NEVER) work right in such a scenario... and of course there is
    also the problem with attaching devices across the network.... thus the
    front end device, I recommend remain something with the ability to handle
    local multimedia, etc when necessary... but still, the lion share of the
    desktop is remote (higher security, lower risk, etc.)

    I now work more directly for a 800 lb. gorilla (large if not largest
    enterprise class) IT company. Obviously, I have a plethora of opinions on
    "how to do things right"... but I have a very small voice.... we'll see what
    happens (Will I pull all of my hair out? Will I suffocate in a sea of
    ignorance? Will I be frustrated by lack of will or desire to move forward?
    Will they get rid of me??).




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    Default Re: Replacing SLED 10 SP1 with OpenSuse 11

    janinecdavies wrote:
    > Novell support haven't responded to any of my basic support questions


    that is just perfect!

    of course, i have no idea what support Novell should provide...do you
    know if MSI purchased software support by Novell for you, or did they
    only install the free download version of SLED and expect you to
    purchase a support/update plan ???

    i mean, if i bought an HP laptop with Vista and want to install Win7
    but have problems, would i be expected to write or call MS or HP?

    and, how much help could i expect out of either?

    [these questions, i know, are unhelpful to you....but bothersome to me
    nonetheless..]

    in any event, perhaps the hardware was sold with the idea that it
    should only receive security and bug patches at the shipped SP level
    and NOT upgraded....perhaps this is an excellent example of the reason
    for that old: If it ain't broke don't fix it.

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    Default Replacing SLED 10 with OpenSuse 13.3

    I'd like to write over the old OS and build an OpenSuse 13.3 from the start but the Network CD doesn't seem to be getting the box's attention. Do I need to unpack the download contents? What could be going wrong? And what do I need to look out for?

    At the SUSE menu I get three options and long ago I tried an opensuse load and that shows up in a corrupted condition.

    I just want to start over.

    Thanks

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    Default Re: Replacing SLED 10 SP1 with OpenSuse 11

    dave unix wrote:
    > I'd like to write over the old OS and build an OpenSuse 13.3 from the
    > start but the Network CD doesn't seem to be getting the box's attention.


    -=welcome=- new poster..

    what does "the Network CD doesn't seem to be getting the box's
    attention" mean?

    you have to boot from the CD...does it boot? if it does, how is it not
    "getting attention"?


    > Do I need to unpack the download contents? What could be going wrong?
    > And what do I need to look out for?


    no, you download the network CD's iso, check the md5 sum to make sure
    it is 100% perfect, then burn it to disk, and boot from the disk..

    LOOK down below the "Download" button on http://software.opensuse.org/
    and yo will see all kinds of info and help, like "download help" page
    and "how to proceed" after downloading...including a link to "Network
    Installation - Internet Installation"

    which should (i hope) lead you to happiness..

    > At the SUSE menu I get three options and long ago I tried an opensuse
    > load and that shows up in a corrupted condition.


    if you try to load from a corrupted install disk you will have a
    corrupted system...that is why you *must* check that the install disk
    is perfect. (with md5 or sha1)

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    Default Re: Replacing SLED 10 SP1 with OpenSuse 11

    DenverD...thanks for your response.

    Since my initial post (IOW "panic post") I've resolved a number of issues. I figured out the ISO process which was really an osx issue. So I found myself at the end of the day with a Live-KDE dvd and able to get only so far after loading the kernel. I get a red box telling me fatal error (or like that) and then a menu of exit steps. Could be that the old box needs more than a Gig, but I think that SUSE is just stubborn?

    I found an online post that said there was an uninstall feature on the SUSE boot CD1...<select "other" then specialized repair>...but for my version there was not (I really looked for it).

    So with my tools and current tries I'm unable to uninstall SUSE and the LiveDVD doesn't seem to have to ability to add itself.

    I have a decade old Commander floppy that might help?

    Best Regards,
    Dave

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    dave unix wrote:
    > DenverD...thanks for your response.


    welcome, but there are a number of somewhat troubling items in your post:


    > Since my initial post (IOW "panic post") I've resolved a number of
    > issues. I figured out the ISO process which was really an osx issue.


    i don't understand that...what does osx have to do with iso? did you
    download to a Mac and then burn the install disk?

    did you check the md5 or sa1 checksum _before_ you burned the install
    disk?

    > So
    > I found myself at the end of the day with a Live-KDE dvd


    there is no such thing as a "Live-KDE dvd" available on
    http://software.opensuse.org/ ...so, i have to ask where did you
    download it from?


    > and able to get
    > only so far after loading the kernel. I get a red box telling me fatal
    > error (or like that) and then a menu of exit steps.


    did you do this http://tinyurl.com/25ydj4a before install attempt?

    if not, boot from the install disk and do it now.

    does it report any errors?

    > Could be that the
    > old box needs more than a Gig, but I think that SUSE is just stubborn?


    are you trying install SUSE or openSUSE?

    1 GB RAM is enough for either.

    and, neither are "stuborn", they might not support your hardware,
    which is what?

    computer brand/model
    cpu brand/model/speed
    amount of RAM
    graphics system
    free hard drive space
    lap or desktop

    > I found an online post that said there was an uninstall feature on the
    > SUSE boot CD1...<select "other" then specialized repair>...but for my
    > version there was not (I really looked for it).


    what, pray tell is your version? and, what version was the online post
    you found referring to? i must ask because i am totally unaware of a
    "SUSE boot CD1" which is less than five (or seven) years old!

    modern version of openSUSE (i have zero idea about SUSE Enterprise
    Linux) install disks are exactly like (or very similar to) the screen
    shown in the above URL link.

    again: what version of what are you attempting to install?



    > So with my tools and current tries I'm unable to uninstall SUSE and the
    > LiveDVD doesn't seem to have to ability to add itself.


    no it wouldn't be able to "add itself" to anything...but, a correctly
    burned and check DVD or Live CD from http://software.opensuse.org/ is
    able to be booted from and installed..


    > I have a decade old Commander floppy that might help?


    i have no idea what a "Commander floppy" is useful for, certainly i
    know of no use for it in installing openSUSE.

    if you post again please answer all above questions as well as:

    your ID is "dave unix", please give a brief recount of your unix and
    Linux experience...(so i know how much detail to provide)

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    Carlos E. R. NNTP User

    Default Re: Replacing SLED 10 SP1 with OpenSuse 11

    On 2010-09-09 22:36, janinecdavies wrote:
    >
    > I have recently purchased an MSI U100 Netbook with SLED10 & upgraded to
    > SP1. I have had a number of issues trying to upgrade to SP2. So many I
    > had to go back to factory settings & re-upgrade to SP1!


    Current SLED is version 11, and a valid support contract allows (AFAIK) to switch version to the
    current one.

    > I spend several hours daily trying to resolve basic usability issues
    > with internet and multimedia. This is not how I wish to spend the next
    > 12 months traveling with the Netbook. I am at a point where I am about
    > to take the easy option, ditch SLED & install Windows XP OS on the
    > Netbook. I would rather stick with the Linux base if i can...
    > ..so
    >
    >
    > - Is it possible for me to download OPENSuse 11 on the SLED 10.1 OS
    > without and dependency conflicts?


    What does mean that? You mean "upgrade" one with another?

    There is no such thing as OPENSuse 11. There is openSUSE 11.0, 11.1, 11.2, and 11.3.

    > - Is it advisable?


    Upgrade SLED to openSUSE is not supported. Install on top, yes, of course. Better try first a live
    CD version to see how it runs on your machine.

    > - Will many of my multimedia issues disappear


    Probably.

    > - Would I have to completely uninstall SLED to install OpenSuse or
    > are they compatible? If I have to uninstall how?!


    You don't uninstall, you install on top, formatting the previous version. If you have some kind of
    recovery partition, leave it alone so that you can go back if you want.

    If you have a /home partition, you can reuse it, without formating, and keeping all your personal
    data. If you don't, then you'd better make a backup to an external disk of anything you want to keep.


    > Any help would be appreciated - Novell support haven't responded to any
    > of my basic support questions


    There is a forum or mail list specific to SLES/SLED. Ask there. I don't know the exact link, but
    someone here could tell you. They should know better how to contact Novell support or whatever you have.

    --
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    Default Re: Replacing SLED 10 SP1 with OpenSuse 11

    Hi
    It's http://forums.novell.com There are also links on the forum
    here....

    packman now package for SLE11 SP1 so that should solve any multimedia
    issues (it is however unsupported if you have other issues).

    If your not prepared to get an external dvd drive to hook up the the
    MSI and install from the dvd, I would suggest getiing a login to SuSE
    Studio and rolling your own (SLE11 or openSUSE) that can boot from a USB
    device and install from that.

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    up 2 days 9:23, 2 users, load average: 0.05, 0.14, 0.12
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    DenverD, Thanks for the reply...I work this effort on weekends so don't take the delay in my response as an insult.

    > Check disk ?
    md5sum ok

    > Live-KDE dvd ?
    software.opensuse.org: Download openSUSE 11.3
    and GNOME too.

    > computer specs
    generic, pheonix tech bios 7/28/2004
    geforcefx52...
    msi board / km400-8235
    plenty of HD

    > CD1
    Suse 10.1, KDE 3.5.1

    > Commander
    System Commander - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    > unix
    Intermediate (I used edlin in Dos and emacs in the 80's)

    Again the goal is to get back in the flow of Unix and figure out how to get a newer version to install.
    The first selection "open SUSE Live (KDE) gets me to the splash screen and even to the desktop - but sits there frozen
    The second selection "Installation" generates a reboot exception and boot failed message

    Dave

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