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    Default SUN (ORACLE) Java in OpenSUSE

    Hi,

    is there a reason why OpenSUSE won't come with SUN Java prepakaged?
    Preinstalled Java seems to be ice something, which doesn't work with most
    of the Java software. Is there an easy way to replace it with real Java and have all the settings ready made. With this I refer to environment.

    Best regards
    Kari

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    Default Re: SUN (ORACLE) Java in OpenSUSE

    SUN Java is in NON-OSS
    Just add it. No problem.
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    Default Re: SUN (ORACLE) Java in OpenSUSE

    Hi,

    Java is proprietary software, of which openSUSE does not have any preinstalled. It does, however pull in proprietary packages after your first update. The java installed is the opensource version based on IcedTea and openJDK. To get SUN Java just open Yast Software Management and search for sun. It should be java-1_6_0-sun and java-1_6_0-sun-plugin. Make sure to uninstall the opensource version called java-1_6_0-openjdk

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    Agreed with the response, though maybe not with the post. I run a LOT of
    Java-based software, and so far, with some quirks, it all works. The only
    quirks I have had (so far, knock on wood) have been the need to accept a
    lot more signatures of JARs for one of Novell's own products. Not sure
    why this is still, but after clicking 'Ok' a few times it still ends up
    working.

    Anyway, OpenJDK is definitely getting better. A couple years ago I don't
    think anything I ran worked in it. Today it takes work to find where it
    doesn't work.

    Good luck.





    On 08/04/2010 01:36 PM, ijbreakey wrote:
    >
    > Hi,
    >
    > Java is proprietary software, of which openSUSE does not have any
    > preinstalled. It does, however pull in proprietary packages after your
    > first update. The java installed is the opensource version based on
    > IcedTea and openJDK. To get SUN Java just open Yast Software Management
    > and search for sun. It should be java-1_6_0-sun and
    > java-1_6_0-sun-plugin. Make sure to uninstall the opensource version
    > called java-1_6_0-openjdk
    >
    > Take Care,
    >
    > Ian
    >
    >

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    Default Re: SUN (ORACLE) Java in OpenSUSE

    Quote Originally Posted by ab@novell.com View Post
    Anyway, OpenJDK is definitely getting better. A couple years ago I don't
    think anything I ran worked in it. Today it takes work to find where it
    doesn't work.
    I guess it's all relative - all my professional work is with J2EE servers (mostly WebSphere and Weblogic), and none of those work with openJDK, unfortunately. It's not a huge deal, though, since the Sun (to be Oracle) version is readily accessible in openSUSE's repos.

    My pet peeve would be that Sun JDK5 was removed from the repos, and this is still required on certain J2EE apps, which don't work on JDK6. No drama, since I found that the download from the Sun/Oracle site for JDK5 installs without a hitch on openSUSE (on 11.2 at least, haven't tried it on 11.3).
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    Ah.... and I do little with J2EE stuff. While I've written a bit in Java
    I wouldn't consider myself a Java programmer so that could be an issue.
    Thank-you for posting back the details.

    Good luck.





    On 08/05/2010 10:36 PM, twelveeighty wrote:
    >
    > ab@novell.com;2201560 Wrote:
    >>
    >> Anyway, OpenJDK is definitely getting better. A couple years ago I
    >> don't
    >> think anything I ran worked in it. Today it takes work to find where
    >> it
    >> doesn't work.

    >
    > I guess it's all relative - all my professional work is with J2EE
    > servers (mostly WebSphere and Weblogic), and none of those work with
    > openJDK, unfortunately. It's not a huge deal, though, since the Sun (to
    > be Oracle) version is readily accessible in openSUSE's repos.
    >
    > My pet peeve would be that Sun JDK5 was removed from the repos, and
    > this is still required on certain J2EE apps, which don't work on JDK6.
    > No drama, since I found that the download from the Sun/Oracle site for
    > JDK5 installs without a hitch on openSUSE (on 11.2 at least, haven't
    > tried it on 11.3).
    >
    >

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    On Wed, 2010-08-04 at 23:39 +0000, ab@novell.com wrote:
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    > Agreed with the response, though maybe not with the post. I run a LOT of
    > Java-based software, and so far, with some quirks, it all works. The only
    > quirks I have had (so far, knock on wood) have been the need to accept a
    > lot more signatures of JARs for one of Novell's own products. Not sure
    > why this is still, but after clicking 'Ok' a few times it still ends up
    > working.
    >
    > Anyway, OpenJDK is definitely getting better. A couple years ago I don't
    > think anything I ran worked in it. Today it takes work to find where it
    > doesn't work.


    Problem is really bad on the enterprise side. There, there are MANY
    solutions that REQUIRE the Sun Java and ONLY the Sun Java.... (or in
    some cases, ONLY the IBM Java).

    Java is evil in my book... there's a MILLION reasons... this is just
    one.



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    Quote Originally Posted by cjcox View Post
    Java is evil in my book... there's a MILLION reasons... this is just
    one.
    Well - on the enterprise side, I shiver when I think of alternatives, though.
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    Default Re: SUN (ORACLE) Java in OpenSUSE

    On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 23:06 +0000, twelveeighty wrote:
    > cjcox;2202446 Wrote:
    > >
    > > Java is evil in my book... there's a MILLION reasons... this is just
    > > one.

    >
    > Well - on the enterprise side, I shiver when I think of alternatives,
    > though.
    >
    >


    Well... what I mean is that software developed in Java, while promising
    to deliver cross platform... doesn't. I'm sorry... but I can't count
    the number of times Java doesn't work across distributed systems..
    leaving you with a stack trace as it's primary debug recourse... usually
    a mile an a half long... and at the end of the day, it's because Java !=
    Java.... so it fails to live up to its hype.

    J2EE and friends have effectively promised to be a distributed OS... and
    it fails miserably. Just like the ADA execution environment before it.

    About the closest thing I've seen to making this work successfully was
    LISP. Arguably in the *ix world... Bourne shell... more or less works
    well (for the common elements).




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