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  1. #21
    Carlos E. R. NNTP User

    Default Re: Testing leafnode

    On 2010-07-11 16:43 GMT malcolmlewis wrote:

    >
    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos E. R.
    > I see. Then it is a bug in leafnode, that it doesn't handle some
    > responses. I read they also have a problem with the server at
    > sourceforge (I didn't know they have nntp), because it doesn't support
    > something they need.
    >
    > So they really need version 2 finished.
    >
    > Hi
    > If you set the max articles to say 500 it works fine and you won't get
    > an error. I can then pull all articles including the one it errors on
    > in the build-service group.
    >


    It is possible then that it only happens on the initial fetch. On
    normal use there will not be that many articles.


    > Leafnode-2 is behind in development? and still alpha;
    > http://www.dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund...leafnode/beta/


    Yes, I guessed so.

    Wow, that branch started in 2002 and still unfinished? That's very bad.
    Last note in changelog is dated April 2009.

    Then leafnode is hopeless :-(

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  2. #22
    Carlos E. R. NNTP User

    Default Re: Testing leafnode

    On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 16:11:26 +0000, DenverD wrote:

    > Carlos E. R. wrote:
    >> I can create a filter that does the marking, but the filter is not
    >> global, it is one per group, AFAIK.

    >
    > remember, i'm not in the push t-bird on people business...but i can tell
    > you that it took me a long time to discover that you can make filters
    > global within accounts (not only one per newsgroup)...in other words i
    > have an account named 'novell' which is an nntp account with several of
    > these fora subscribed, another named news.tele.dk with a number of
    > newsgroups subscribed, etc..
    >
    > if i click on novell (on the left in t-bird) i get a chance on the right
    > to click on "manage newsgroup subscriptions" and other things including
    > "manage message filters"...click there to make filters applicable to ALL
    > fora/newsgroups within that account....but if you just wanna ploink one
    > person in one forum, then click on THAT forum (on the left) and do the
    > dirty..


    Ah, that's a nice trick. I'll try.


    Now I'm testing pan again. One nasty habit it has is, when replying, it
    opens a tiny edit window in the corner, when I have a foot and a half of
    free screen space... Gosh!



    >> What I want is not easily miss a reply to something I asked in any
    >> group... and do it fast.

    >
    > _technique_ i use is when i reply to (or create) a thread i tag it
    > [right click on subject, select Tag > Important (or whatever)] then my
    > usual is to open up a group, threaded and listed by date...that way all
    > of the unread fall to the top (or bottom) your choice..
    >
    > once the group is opened, i hit space and it jumps to the first unread
    > note...i scan the subject and look to see if the thread is tagged...and,
    > either move on (space space space) or not..


    Yes, I do that. But I don't like having to jump so many rings...


    > i get though it pretty fast...and, don't often miss a reply i need to
    > service (though i do miss some...because i'm too old and dumb to
    > _always_ tag...so, i may see replies in threads not tagged and just keep
    > moving..
    >
    > by the way, the best (imHo) newsreader which ever existed was
    > NeologicNews, an OS/2 Warp shareware thingy...i have a lifetime digital
    > unlock key, bought in the mid-'90s...heh!



    X'-)


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    Default Re: Testing leafnode

    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos E. R.

    > Hi
    > If you set the max articles to say 500 it works fine and you won't get
    > an error. I can then pull all articles including the one it errors on
    > in the build-service group.
    >


    It is possible then that it only happens on the initial fetch. On
    normal use there will not be that many articles.
    Hi
    Well if I clear everything out from the spool and increase to 1000 it
    stops at the error and then doesn't get the new posts, until there is a
    new post. In this case you miss about 15 articles. Change to 500 and
    all is fine after clearing the spool.

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  4. #24
    Carlos E. R. NNTP User

    Default Re: Testing leafnode

    On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 16:41:34 +0000, DenverD wrote:

    > Carlos E. R. wrote:
    >> I'll take a note of this site ;-)

    >
    > would you believe it was the second google hit on:
    >
    > nntp error 220


    Ah, google... I always forget to use it.



    > [first hit was more 'geeky'...you might like it better :-]



    RFC? No thanks! X-)

    Too geeky, I'm not in that mood now ;-)

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    Default Re: Testing leafnode

    On 2010-07-10, Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@localhost> wrote:
    > On 2010-07-10 13:30 GMT Carlos E. R. wrote:
    >
    >> On 2010-07-10 12:48 GMT Carlos E. R. wrote:
    >>
    >> >
    >> > Hi,
    >> >
    >> > I got leafnode-1.11.8-1.x86_64 and I'm testing it, for nntp access.

    >
    > It is impossible to use leafnode, it aborts continuously while
    > downloading :-/


    Weird. I must be confused, then. I could have sworn than I've been running
    Leafnode for years now. An I'd swear the openSUSE server was included.

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  6. #26
    Carlos E. R. NNTP User

    Default Re: Testing leafnode

    On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 17:15:02 +0000, Rikishi42 wrote:

    > On 2010-07-10, Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@localhost> wrote:
    >> On 2010-07-10 13:30 GMT Carlos E. R. wrote:
    >>
    >>> On 2010-07-10 12:48 GMT Carlos E. R. wrote:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> > Hi,
    >>> >
    >>> > I got leafnode-1.11.8-1.x86_64 and I'm testing it, for nntp access.

    >>
    >> It is impossible to use leafnode, it aborts continuously while
    >> downloading :-/

    >
    > Weird. I must be confused, then. I could have sworn than I've been
    > running Leafnode for years now. An I'd swear the openSUSE server was
    > included.


    I had to restart it a dozen times to convince it to download all
    messages, it kept aborting.


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    Default Re: Testing leafnode

    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos E. R.
    On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 17:15:02 +0000, Rikishi42 wrote:

    > On 2010-07-10, Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@localhost> wrote:
    >> On 2010-07-10 13:30 GMT Carlos E. R. wrote:
    >>
    >>> On 2010-07-10 12:48 GMT Carlos E. R. wrote:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> > Hi,
    >>> >
    >>> > I got leafnode-1.11.8-1.x86_64 and I'm testing it, for nntp
    >>> > access.

    >>
    >> It is impossible to use leafnode, it aborts continuously while
    >> downloading :-/

    >
    > Weird. I must be confused, then. I could have sworn than I've been
    > running Leafnode for years now. An I'd swear the openSUSE server was
    > included.


    I had to restart it a dozen times to convince it to download all
    messages, it kept aborting.

    Hi
    Clean everything out and start with a fresh spool? That's what I have
    been doing in my testing.

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  8. #28
    Carlos E. R. NNTP User

    Default Re: Testing leafnode

    On 2010-07-11 17:33 GMT malcolmlewis wrote:


    > I had to restart it a dozen times to convince it to download all
    > messages, it kept aborting.
    >
    >
    > [/QUOTE]
    > Hi
    > Clean everything out and start with a fresh spool? That's what I have
    > been doing in my testing.


    That would cause the problem to appear again.

    I have the message database downloaded by now, but after many restarts
    of "fetchnews". If I were to clean the database, it would take an hour
    re-downloading, then halting and hiccuping several times.

    The problem is by-passed for the moment at least.

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  9. #29
    Per Jessen NNTP User

    Default Re: Testing leafnode

    Carlos E. R. wrote:

    > On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 15:30:07 +0000, Per Jessen wrote:
    >
    >> Carlos E. R. wrote:
    >>
    >>> If you use tbird a lot, you will notice that it is very inefficient
    >>> in the local storage of mails in mbox format - not because it uses
    >>> mbox, but because it does not reclaim deleted space automatically,
    >>> you have to expurge the files manually. Other clients using mbox do
    >>> not have this problem (Alpine).

    >>
    >> I use TB as my only mail-client, but I can't say I've noticed any
    >> space problems. Maybe because space is cheap so I don't keep an eye
    >> on it. Anyway, TB has an option to automatically compact folders when
    >> it'll save more than Xkb.

    >
    > Could be that. Someone I know had it using several hundred megabytes
    > of space, even after deleting all mail. You have to compact it, and it
    > takes some time.


    Uh, just checked my TB dir - 12Gig. Speedwise I have no problems. Maybe
    I'll do a compaction or two.



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  10. #30
    Per Jessen NNTP User

    Default Re: Testing leafnode

    DenverD wrote:

    > by the way, the best (imHo) newsreader which ever existed was
    > NeologicNews, an OS/2 Warp shareware thingy...i have a lifetime
    > digital unlock key, bought in the mid-'90s...heh!


    You know, I think I might just have that too somewhere!



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