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    Default Packman Updates

    Haven't seen any updates for the Packman repo in a couple of months. I thought this was strange because it was always updated pretty often.
    Checked Packman website and can see a number of files I have installed from them have been updated - but not showing for me in Yast2.
    I have auto-refresh enabled for the packman repo.

    Decided to delete the packman repo and add it again. When I did that there were around thirty or forty file updates available.

    Have kept an eye on it for a day or two and can see there have been further updates on the website - but these again are not showing for me in Yast2.

    Is there anything in particular that might be broken for me in Yast2?

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    Quote Originally Posted by farcusnz
    Haven't seen any updates for the Packman repo in a couple of months. I
    thought this was strange because it was always updated pretty often.
    Checked Packman website and can see a number of files I have installed
    from them have been updated - but not showing for me in Yast2.
    I have auto-refresh enabled for the packman repo.

    Decided to delete the packman repo and add it again. When I did that
    there were around thirty or forty file updates available.
    Hi
    From memory I think there was a repository key change, so you may have
    clicked on no instead of yes at some point? Re adding the repository
    would have brought in the new key, so you should be fine.

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    Default Re: Packman Updates

    There are one or two repos that have not been updated for ages. Perhaps you have one of those. Disable it and try for Eg
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    Default Re: Packman Updates

    Thanks guys - but you will see from my original post that I did delete the packman repo - then adding it again fixed my problem with a whole bunch of updates but that I am not receiving subsequent updates since then

    I shouldn't need to delete and re-add the repo every time I want to check for updates.

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    Default Re: Packman Updates

    Don't forget we are unpaid volunteer/enthusiasts who just try to help an openSUSE installation/System.

    The best place for you if you have comments on the Packman repository policies or implementation is not here but it is on the Packman mailing list or alternatively you can raise comments on the Packman IRC channel.

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    farcusnz wrote:
    > I shouldn't need to delete and re-add the repo every time I want to
    > check for updates.


    agreed! but, maybe you are thinking of *the* packman repo as a single
    place on earth....when in fact 'the' packman repo is mirrored all over
    earth, and when you access that repo via software.opensuse.org you are
    automatically redirected to the nearest to you mirror (more on that
    here, if wish to read it: http://tinyurl.com/33oft86)....which maybe
    is not being updated as it should be, or is presenting you with other
    difficulties.....and, when you check with your browser and "can see
    there have been further updates on the website" it is entirely
    possible that you are looking at a different, and properly updated
    mirror..

    therefore, if you specify one spot (as caf4926 suggested), you _may_
    find the problem goes away..

    if is does, then we all know what happened..

    on the other hand, if you follow the suggestion and it fails to solve
    your problem _then_ we can proceed with other potential
    problem/solution pairs (like maybe you have a jumbled up install of
    zypper, or YaST Online Updater, or YaST, or something else)

    so, please contemplate whether or not you want to follow advice
    already given..

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    I had the same strange feeling as @farcusnz. Not seen any Packman updates for a long time.

    Thus I did the same as he did. Using YaST I removed the Packman repos and then added the Packman repos from the community list. And there are new versions now (just installed them).

    I see that before the Packman URL in my list was
    Code:
     http://ftp.skynet.be/pub/packman/suse/11.2/
    and it is now:
    Code:
    http://packman.inode.at/suse/11.2/
    I do not know if the Belgium one stopped updating himself and the Austrian one is up to date. And how could I know? I did not choose it, YaST did.
    (I use the skynet.be one allready for years without any problem).

    Now apart from all the valuable comments from the honourable posters above, my idea is that I did here what most of the openSUSE users would do. Use YaST > Sofware Management > Repos Management to add Packman from the list (as we advise them). Thus I guess that many users have this problem, more because it is not very obvious that there is a problem.

    How do we spread the word that removing and newly adding of the Packman repos is a good thing to do?
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    hcvv wrote:
    > How do we spread the word that removing and newly adding of the Packman
    > repos is a good thing to do?


    that is an excellent question!

    WAIT! since we know that ALL openSUSE users are smart (else they
    wouldn't be here), we therefore know all will find this thread by
    using google or the forum's search engine.. ;-)

    that is they will find it if they use a search sting with some words
    like: packman problem packman updating packman trouble update packman
    auto-refresh packman YaST packman

    hmmmm...but, we (whoever 'we' are) do need to figure out what the
    actual problem is with the packman-software.opensuse-YaST/YaST Online
    Update hookup, because (just as farcusnz said) "I shouldn't need to
    delete and re-add the repo every time I want to check for updates."

    so, who do 'we' talk to? i guess one or all of these:

    - the folks 'owning' and updating the master packman repo...(i wonder
    do they (somehow) routinely look at the repos to make sure they are
    up-to-date? hmmmm, are updated *pushed* to repos or are do the various
    mirrors *pull*....has something there changed, and is now broken?)

    - the folks owning/operating the magic redirector which selects and
    routes requests to the various mirrors...(maybe that thing got broken
    somehow....hmmm, i wonder if it checks which mirrors are up-to-date
    and which are not, and then directs only to in-sync repos??)

    - the folks owning and caring for the various repos (to make sure they
    are being updated in a timely manner)..

    - the folks owning the YaST/Zypper code: has something recently
    changed which is causing this problem?

    i guess the single question is: can we throw this into bugzilla even
    if we have no idea *where* the problem lies in a long system of
    various parts which must all work, together??

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    Quote Originally Posted by DenverD View Post
    i guess the single question is: can we throw this into bugzilla even
    if we have no idea *where* the problem lies in a long system of
    various parts which must all work, together??
    No. This problem has nothing to do with Novell or the openSUSE project.
    It's a Packman and it's mirrors problem and it should be talked with them.

    But looking at thing like this one: [packman] New address for ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de (I hope they already fixed the problem even if they never said anything in the ML) it seems they lack manpower. So what seems to be needed are volunteers.

    The fix is simple: Packman should use MirrorBrain. Now you just need someone to do that work... and perhaps a new server...

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    RedDwarf wrote:
    > they lack manpower. So what seems to be needed are volunteers.
    > The fix is simple: Packman should use MirrorBrain. Now you just need
    > someone to do that work... and perhaps a new server...


    unfortunately, i'm not technically qualified to do much--despite all
    my wonderful & amazing talents :-)

    but, i went over to packman and see if they accept donations--they do..

    at http://packman.links2linux.org/ i learn: "Can I contribute to your
    project? Yes. Contact us on our mailing-list <blanked> and we shall
    send you the required information."

    hmmm, i can't see on the site that they actually have a mechanism to
    accept cash donations...so, i've attempted to join the ML and will
    await that, and report back to here...

    as i doubt forums.opensuse.org would be anymore than a ghost town
    without the goods delivered by packman, i think several (more) here
    might ought to consider donating cash/time/talent...

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