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  1. #121

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    Surely I'm not the only 'online publisher' who has dependencies on certain Windoze proprietary software that requires being stuck with WinXP(or higher) on their machines for publishing and authoring...

    Because of our dependencies on 'the other guy'... it is really scary for Windoze users to navigate at the Linux command line.

    Isn't there a way to simply get this done by using PartedMagic GUIs to... 1. Backup the SonyVAIO laptop to a 'special' partition on the Maxtor 500G HD, like: 'original-sony' 2. Then, use PartedMagic to do all this other stuff that was discussed?...

    ...instead of all this worry about possible typos at the Linux command prompt?

    It would be much faster for me, and certainly LOTS less stressful. :+}}

    Just a thought... and an ardent plea.

  2. #122

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    I'm trying to piece together the main points, please bear with me...

    Test Case Problem:

    Began: KDE Live CD installation failed to allow configuration of
    Internet/network configuration for access to Internet.


    Attempted:

    1. Uninstalled KDE LIVE CD routine to return to ground Zero.
    2. This left the GRUB installer hung in gear and racing down hill to
    disaster.
    3. Using PartedMagic to identify necessary information
    4. PM has NO problem accessing the Internet, so this means we have NO problem
    with Hardware.
    5. I am now more comfortable with PM.


    Hardware involved:

    Sony VAIO 64-bit Intel Centrino-Duo - 1.3GB internal HD
    Maxtor 500GB external USB HD (ready to use for backups/cloning)

    Extra Hardware: Compaq Presario, using to access this Internet discussion and
    Test Case plan.


    GOAL:
    1. We are trying to prove that we can 'resurrect' WinXP from the SonyVAIO
    Recovery partition... just to prove that it can be done.
    2. Once done, we will reinstall KDE Live CD and get OpenSuSE to access the
    Internet without problems or complaints.


    Suggestions, up to this point:

    1. Make backups of the entire Sony laptop HD to the Maxtor 500G USB drive...
    errors and I, I assume.
    Suggested names for these are:
    sony-front.raw clone mounted on a loopback device

    2. 'caf4926' isn't sure if Test Disk is the way to go, suggested might send
    me a CD of WinXP to reinstall with my Product Key. Thinks windows is a
    crutch I no longer need. I agree.

    3. 'plodder' is concerned that we don't know if the recovery
    procedure "recreates the windows partition or just resets the contents or
    whatever partition windows XP currently resides in."
    I say that all the files are *in* the compressed Recovery Partition and get
    expanded into the C drive as a result of the Recovery Procedure because...
    before attempting to resurrect WinXP, there was NO partition that displayed
    any of the M$ files that would be expanded from the Recovery process... IOW,
    there was *only* the remnant of WinRecovery... which NOW gets 'hung' at Step
    2 where it tries to reboot, but can't get back to where it was because GRUB
    is stopping the process and taking over... therefore, WinXP Recovery *can't*
    restart into Step #3, or #4 to finish the Recovery process. GRUB keeps
    getting in the way.
    Maybe getting rid of GRUB would solve the problem?

    4. 'LostFarmer' ... there is ONLY the option to *RESTORE* C: Drive, and
    suggestion is:

    Below should work but not ideal.
    1) Delete the linux partitions, sda6 and sda3
    2) Make a primary partition in the unallocated space, was sda6 & sda3.
    3) Make new NTFS primary partition, set Active/bootable.
    4) run the restore program. It should install XP onto sda3. If the restore
    program works as I think it should.

    fdisk will look basically:
    /dev/sda1 1 784 6297448+ 12 Compaq diagnostics
    /dev/sda2 785 3395 109378552+ f W95 Ext'd (LBA)
    /dev/sda3 * 3396 14593 ????? 7 HPFS/NTFS
    /dev/sda5 785 3395 20972826 7 HPFS/NTFS

    This will test if the recovery works as expected, and if it does you will
    likely want to delete all partitions except sda1 and rerun restore, may have
    to do step #3 again and leave space for linux.

    Or
    use 'testdisk and convert sda5 to a primary partition,make Active,reboot and
    complete started restore.

    You should back up/clone sda1 in any case to be on safe side.

    5. [I'm getting lost in the command line codes...]


    MY Suggestions/Questions:

    Ok, I can't be the only person who uses WinXP for an online publishing
    company... and I think this is the reason we are all trying to resurrect
    WinXP, just in case the future has someone *else* who is too 'limited' to
    WinXP for their business needs... and a proven way to Recover WinXP from the
    Recovery Partion, correct?

    If so, then...

    Why can't I just back up the entire HD of the Sony VAIO laptop to the Maxtor
    500G HD and then use *only* PartedMagic to solve this problem? I mean, the
    whole problem with us Windoze Idiots is that we are *scared* of the command
    prompt and it sounds like TestDisk is going to require lots of command line
    enteries to make all this happen.

    My suggestion is to do this the Windoze GUI way, and then the future panicked
    Windoze users can just boot up in PartedMagic and follow the 'easy' GUI
    instructions and be done with it. IOW, let me 'cheat' with my familiar GUIs,
    k? :+}}

    Is that asking too much of folks who *know* Linux lots better than us Windoze
    Fools?

    I mean...

    Here's a screenshot of the Sony VAIO laptop 5-n-1 information windows.


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    Did you try putting the boot flag on sda5*
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  4. #124

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    Quote Originally Posted by caf4926 View Post
    Did you try putting the boot flag on sda5*
    ?
    NO, I did not do that yet...

    Of the available tools, which is the best, way to do that?

    Sorry I sound like such a whimp at the command prompt... I am, but that's no excuse... I simply lost my courage.

    I have found my Joshua Hat, though, and now I promise to, '... have stength and be of good courage' and bring this *wall* of Jericho down of being afraid of the Linux Command Line.

    I *promise*! :}}

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    Parted Magic
    Launch the partitioner
    And you can right click I think on the partitions and add or remove the flag. If you add it to sda5 remove it from the extended sda2. Apply. Reboot.

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  6. #126

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    Quote Originally Posted by caf4926 View Post
    Parted Magic
    Launch the partitioner
    And you can right click I think on the partitions and add or remove the flag. If you add it to sda5 remove it from the extended sda2. Apply. Reboot.

    I am crashing now. I'll be back in 6hrs or less.
    Is that "GParted Partition Editor" that you want me to launch, from the start menu in PM?

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    Forget that idea. sda5 is a logical.
    Let me sleep on it.

    The only primary is sda1
    so as far as I can tell the flag should be there.

    See you then

    Yes to your question
    Is that "GParted Partition Editor" that you want me to launch, from the start menu in PM?
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  8. #128

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    Quote Originally Posted by caf4926 View Post
    Forget that idea. sda5 is a logical.
    Let me sleep on it.

    The only primary is sda1
    so as far as I can tell the flag should be there.

    See you then

    Yes to your question
    Is that "GParted Partition Editor" that you want me to launch, from the start menu in PM?
    GParted Partition Editor doesn't DO anything... it just pops up some red bordered little windows telling me to right click on the partition that is locked but it never goes to a place where I can click on anything.

  9. #129

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    A few,hopefully helpful, clarifying remarks to assist both oldsioux and caf4926.

    1) The three things that determine if XP boots successfully are:
    1a) the partition upon which the boot flag is set;
    1b) the partition that the XP boot.ini file points to and
    1c) the nature of the system partition.

    Previously we tried many times putting the boot flag on various partitions and changing the contents of boot.ini, both to no avail. LostFarmer and I think the XP partition needs to be a primary partition although you can get away with a logical partition if certain system files are located on a primary partition.

    Actually there is a 'ye olde boote methode' where you copy three files; ntldr, ntdetect.com and boot.ini; from your XP partition to a freshly(?) formatted floppy and use that to boot whatever sort of system partition you have.

    2) The purpose of testdisk is just to change, eventually, sda5 from a logical partition to a primary partition (with a different number). Then we think, if the boot flag is set to that and boot.ini points to the same, we are on a winner. A problem may be that there is a small gap left in front of the new partition.

    3) I recommended backing up the first part of the sda drive to your 500GB USB(?) drive just to make sure you could recover the current situation, no matter what you did next. I asked you to make sure the 500GB was formatted in NTFS otherwise, if it is FAT32, it will not be able to hold the data (being limited to 4GB max files).

    4) I did have a plan to tidy up the backup to the 500GB drive to make it self consistent by deleting partition definitions that would extend past the end of the backup image. If you back up the entire disk then you would not have to do this. I think I wasn't sure how much space you could grab on the 500GB drive.

    5) Once you back up, I recall an option was to just delete all partitions except sda1 and see if the Compaq recovery would recreate the XP installation as a primary. If not, format an sda2 partition as NTFS and hope the recovery will install to that.

    6) If caf4926 can supply you with an installation CD for XP to use with your product key (do you know where that is?) then that is probably a better way to go.

    7) Yes, the command line does look a bit fearsome at first but, in most cases, if you are not sure, you can alway wimp out before the fatal pressing of the final Enter button. Most people prefer to use the CL because each command is one action and the results are more predictable, whereas with a GUI several actions may be completed with one click of the mouse and there could be bugs in the software anyway.

    Hope this helps.

  10. #130

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    Sorry missed this bit:

    8) The results from post #54 page 6, indicate that grub was installed to the extended sda2 partition. Hence, if all partitions apart from sda1 were deleted, there would be no grub anywhere.

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