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    Unhappy Dolphin as the NNTP handler

    Dolphin is the default NNTP handler that opens whenever you navigate to a NNTP URL. It is very slow, it downloads all titles each time it visits a news server, it takes over 200_MB RAM. And, in the end, it is unable to read any message because the default action fails with The requested document does not exist. You can send such a message to Kwrite but what you get is a raw message that you cannot productively use. In short, a big failure.

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    DenverD NNTP User

    Default Re: Dolphin as the NNTP handler

    i can't imagine that Dolphin (a file manager, right?) should be set up
    as the default for anything other than file management...much less as
    an NNTP client..

    [but, maybe so...i have heard of more stupid things being done by KDE
    devs....]

    but, let me suggest you try a *real* NNTP client...

    i use Thunderbird just now....have in the past used several different
    others including Pan and KNode..

    i would _guess_ that installing either would be a step in the right
    direction..

    there is a section of the forum's FAQ you should probably have a look
    at: http://tinyurl.com/lbjo44

    many many other nntp clients are mentioned here:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Usenet_newsreaders

    you might notice that neither cite includes Dolphin as a nntp
    client...so, it is no wonder it is "a big failure"..

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    Default Re: Dolphin as the NNTP handler

    Sure I can use KNode, but how do I make it open when I navigate to a NNTP URL?

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    DenverD NNTP User

    Default Re: Dolphin as the NNTP handler

    yecril71pl wrote:
    > Sure I can use KNode, but how do I make it open when I navigate to a
    > NNTP URL?


    why, are you 'navigating' to an NNTP URL? that is not the way to use
    an NNTP client..

    see, the URL for the openSUSE forums is forums.opensuse.org at port
    119...you don't 'navigate' to it instead you *connect* to it just like
    your email client connects to your POP, probably at the default port
    of 110..

    so, just install KNode, and insert the correct address to connect to,
    then select which forums you want to join....just like with email, no
    'navigating' required..

    and, i again point you to the forum's FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/lbjo44

    and, if you need more info on the how and why of NNTP, see here:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nntp

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    Default Re: Dolphin as the NNTP handler

    The URL concept is invented so as to allow Internet users to navigate without reading the FAQ for different protocols. I am trying to navigate to a NNTP URL because this is what the hosting page advises me to do, and rightfully so. The system should read the FAQ itself and do the right thing instead of redirecting me to Dolphin.

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    DenverD NNTP User

    Default Re: Dolphin as the NNTP handler

    yecril71pl wrote:
    > The URL concept is invented so as to allow Internet users to navigate
    > without reading the FAQ for different protocols. I am trying to
    > navigate to a NNTP URL because this is what the hosting page advises me
    > to do, and rightfully so. The system should read the FAQ itself and do
    > the right thing instead of redirecting me to Dolphin.


    is today April First?

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    Lightbulb Re: Dolphin as the NNTP handler

    Today is Apr_29th.
    Quoting RFC 3986:
    A Uniform Resource Identifier (URI) provides a simple and extensible means for identifying a resource.

    Uniformity provides several benefits. It allows different types of resource identifiers to be used in the same context, even when the mechanisms used to access those resources may differ. It allows uniform semantic interpretation of common syntactic conventions across different types of resource identifiers. It allows introduction of new types of resource identifiers without interfering with the way that existing identifiers are used. It allows the identifiers to be reused in many different contexts, thus permitting new applications or protocols to leverage a preexisting, large, and widely used set of resource identifiers.

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    DenverD NNTP User

    Default Re: Dolphin as the NNTP handler

    yecril71pl wrote:

    > Quoting 'RFC 3986' (http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3986.txt):
    >> A Uniform Resource Identifier (URI)


    earlier you said you were navigating to a URL...are you now saying you
    are navigating to a URI?

    now, i ask again *how* are you "navigating" to that URL or URI with
    openSUSE which then causes your computer to connect with Dolphin??

    and to what URL/URI are you 'navigating'?

    well, let me ask this:

    lets say you have a computer with Dolphin, Internet Explorer, KNode,
    Pan, Thunderbird, Firefox, Opera and Lynx...how do you begin your
    navigation to the nntp server for forums.opensuse.org??

    and when you arrive at that destination how is the computer supposed
    to know which of all of those applications it is supposed to use to
    let you read/reply to the nntp articles on store at your destination?
    like this one?

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    Default Re: Dolphin as the NNTP handler

    It says nothing about the protocol used. Believe us, start using knode.
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    Arrow Re: Dolphin as the NNTP handler

    Steps to reproduce:

    1. Go to the Boost Users mailing list
    2. Follow the hyperlink to read the discussion group.


    What happens:
    Dolphin appears and tries to read the discussion group, which it only partly succeeds to do, and with a large performance cost (the machine becomes unresponsive).

    What should happen:
    Knode should start and read the discussion group.

    I do not know how the operating system knows that it should launch Dolphin and not Knode; however, the fact is that it knows, and it had better not.

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