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    Angry Nepomuk/Strigi/soprano/virtuoso/redland/akonadi/mysql/etc etc

    = a steaming pile of non-functioning ordure.
    We had all this with Beagle didn't we? Everybody ended just by disabling it. (same thing with indexing in MSWindoze IIRC)
    Or is this a "solution" looking for a problem?
    Does anyone "need" a "semantic" desktop? Or an "Ontological" anything?
    I could use clever sounding sounding adjectives which have no meaning too!
    I prefer to use good descriptive simple words, but I would get myself banned from the forum.

    Anyone here please write a little post, explaining:
    What these pains - in - the a*** are supposed to do
    How are they to be used when and if they ever work properly?
    How to completely remove everything related to this mess, and what should be re-installed to have a functioning system.
    I have posted before asking for a simple and functional GUI search, a front end for "find" or even "locate" would be cool, or like the one in Windows XP!
    I ended up making an alias for find with a little script from here:
    Bash alias with args. - openSUSE Forums
    It is far from perfect but it sort of works.
    It took me about 20 hours of instruction to learn how to drive a truck. I have earned a living from it ever since. I have spent much more than that with Nepomuck etc etc and it has repaid nothing but pain.
    I upped to KDE4.4.0 today and hoped that nepMUCK etc would now function a bit. I have let it do it's DB four times, deleted .kde4/share/config/nep* and /apps/nep* numerous times, logged out, rebooted, downloaded more bits of Virtuoso, soprano and other stuff, it still can't find a file. Why is this stuff forced upon us when it is so far from being usable?


    Ontology (from the Greek ὄν, genitive ὄντος: of being (neuter participle of εἶναι: to be) and -λογία, -logia: science, study, theory) is the philosophical study of the nature of being, existence or reality in general, as well as the basic categories of being and their relations. Traditionally listed as a part of the major branch of philosophy known as metaphysics, ontology deals with questions concerning what entities exist or can be said to exist, and how such entities can be grouped, related within a hierarchy, and subdivided according to similarities and differences.
    Yep, meaningless! and.......

    Semantics[1] is the study of meaning, usually in language. The word "semantics" itself denotes a range of ideas, from the popular to the highly technical. It is often used in ordinary language to denote a problem of understanding that comes down to word selection or connotation. This problem of understanding has been the subject of many formal inquiries, over a long period of time. In linguistics, it is the study of interpretation of signs or symbols as used by agents or communities within particular circumstances and contexts.[2] Within this view, sounds, facial expressions, body language, proxemics have semantic (meaningful) content, and each has several branches of study. In written language, such things as paragraph structure and punctuation have semantic content; in other forms of language, there is other semantic content.[2]

    The formal study of semantics intersects with many other fields of inquiry, including proxemics, lexicology, syntax, pragmatics, etymology and others, although semantics is a well-defined field in its own right, often with synthetic properties.[3] In philosophy of language, semantics and reference are related fields. Further related fields include philology, communication, and semiotics. The formal study of semantics is therefore complex.

    Semantics is sometimes contrasted with syntax, the study of the symbols of a language (without reference to their meaning), and pragmatics, the study of the relationships between the symbols of a language, their meaning, and the users of the language.[4]

    The word semantic in its modern sense is considered to have first appeared in French as smantique in Michel Bral's 1897 book, Essai de smantique[5].

    In international scientific vocabulary semantics is also called semasiology.

    The discipline of Semantics is distinct from Alfred Korzybski's General Semantics, which is a system for looking at the semantic reactions of the whole human organism in its environment to some event, symbolic or otherwise.

    Yes, pretty much meaningless as well.
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    Default Re: Nepomuk/Strigi/soprano/virtuoso/redland/akonadi/mysql/etc etc

    Unfortunately, I have to agree with you. I don't see the point of making it so overly complicated. And if it's going to be complicated, at least make it work.

    I've been fighting for days to get this thing to work. And nothing. My fiance was bragging to me how she popped open Evolution (the PIM in Gnome) and simply did 2 clicks to get Google contacts and calender to sync. Sometimes I wish I had that luxury. I love my KDE, but I can't deny the fact that I'm frustrated.

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    Default Re: Nepomuk/Strigi/soprano/virtuoso/redland/akonadi/mysql/etc etc

    wakou wrote:
    > Why is this stuff forced upon us when it is so far from
    > being usable?


    you are 100% correct..
    no one should force that on you..
    they shouldn't even try!!

    if i were you i'd demand they stop..
    and, give me all of my money back!!

    and, then i would choose for myself exactly what *other* software i
    wanted to use....

    yep, that is what i would do--they don't push me around and force
    *anything* on me!!

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    which is why i'm writing on openSUSE 10.3 using KDE3.5.7 where
    everything works the way *I* want it..

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    Default Re: Nepomuk/Strigi/soprano/virtuoso/redland/akonadi/mysql/etc etc

    hmmm...mine's been working, it's indexing right now...after I update to KDE 4.4, I had to disable Nepomuk, then reenable it and strigi and it's begun working again. It DID not work until I installed redland and added a folder in my home directory per another recent thread here...

    Should it just work after installation? frakking yes.
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    Default Re: Nepomuk/Strigi/soprano/virtuoso/redland/akonadi/mysql/etc etc

    OK...my strigi won't autostart anymore since i've update to KDE 4.4....maybe I'll join in here...

    Any clues? Caf or anyone?
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    Default Re: Nepomuk/Strigi/soprano/virtuoso/redland/akonadi/mysql/etc etc

    It seems to me you can turn it off somewhere in the KDE configure screens.

    Also remember you are using beta software here.

    If you live on the cutting edge you will bleed.

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    Default Re: Nepomuk/Strigi/soprano/virtuoso/redland/akonadi/mysql/etc etc

    Quote Originally Posted by gogalthorp View Post
    It seems to me you can turn it off somewhere in the KDE configure screens.

    Also remember you are using beta software here.

    If you live on the cutting edge you will bleed.
    It will all work if I start it manually. No need to turn it off, it turns itself off somehow in config after a reboot. Strigi turns itself off, Nepomuk seems to be ok I think.
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    Default Re: Nepomuk/Strigi/soprano/virtuoso/redland/akonadi/mysql/etc etc

    i have expressed similar incredulous statements about the mess that this system/module has been thru in the last year, so i won't elaborate here... but it doesn't work for me in spite of the fixes described elsewhere in this forum. It really bothers me that it would be shipped broken, beta is one thing but in a final release i just can't agree.

    for those of you needing quick file search, i'm still using the locate utilities and using dolphin's handy terminal window to use it for file management operations. works rather well for that purpose but not as well as kde3's kio-locate. it's an eyeopener to take so many steps using kde4 then start a kde3 application and use "locate:/stuff" in a Open dialog box (which is an ability that kde4 wouldn't have even if i could get nepomuk to work correctly)... one step forward, two steps back.
    Last edited by j_xavier; 13-Feb-2010 at 21:50. Reason: additional comment

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    Default Re: Nepomuk/Strigi/soprano/virtuoso/redland/akonadi/mysql/etc etc

    Pfff... I don't quite get what you guys are having trouble with. I was never interested in a semantic desktop (I am not sure I actually understand what it's good for), but I read this thread and decided to give it a try.

    I got the same error messages, so I created the redland-folder mentioned here, then launched the systemsettings to set up strigi and Nepomuk and well... that was it. It works for me. First attempt, sucess. Sorry, but creating a folder is not so much work, is it?

    Honestly, I think some of the users who are complaining about KDE4 just don't even try to work things out. I read about instabilities, crashing plasma, slow Dolphins, composite not working, etc. etc., I swear, none of this occurs here. Ever. And I didn't even had to remove ~/.kde4 since version 4.1.

    a steaming pile of non-functioning ordure
    This, my friend, is trollism.

    it's an eyeopener to take so many steps using kde4 then start a kde3 application and use "locate:/stuff" in a Open dialog box
    Um... there's a command called 'locate'. If you like boxes to type text in, use locate with Yakuake or a Konsole-Plasmoid...

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    Default Re: Nepomuk/Strigi/soprano/virtuoso/redland/akonadi/mysql/etc etc

    Quote Originally Posted by gropiuskalle View Post
    Honestly, I think some of the users who are complaining about KDE4 just don't even try to work things out. I read about instabilities, crashing plasma, slow Dolphins, composite not working, etc. etc., I swear, none of this occurs here. Ever. And I didn't even had to remove ~/.kde4 since version 4.1.
    To a certain extent, I agree with you. 90% of my 4.4 desktop is completely functional. No problems. No crashes. But in this particular situation, Nepomuk has done nothing but cause problems. I've searched for a couple days for a answer, but to no avail. I had the thing working in 4.4 RC3 but not final.

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