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    Default Getting japanese input on US keyboard

    I know it is possible, and I have been trying everything I can find, but I can't seem to get it to work. I went to languages in YaST and enabled Japanese as a second language, and I have tried adding japanese as a secondary keyboard layout under configure desktop-> regional and language settings. I have a little flag in the system tray that I can click to change from US to Japanese, but all that does is change what the punctuation buttons do.

    I have been searching and I can't seem to find any truly helpful information, so any would be greatly appreciated.

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    Default Re: Getting japanese input on US keyboard

    YaST deals with the hardware issues. To add a Japanese software keyboard to KDE, go to System Settings>Regional>Keyboard layout and add the Japanese keyboard.

    There is something similar in Gnome.

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    Well I have many software related options in YaST, but like I said I added the japanese keyboard layout already, but it does nothing. I even found the SCIM configuration and everything seems to be set. Nothing seems to do anything different.

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    There are a few hoops you need to jump through to get Skim / Scim working in KDE4.

    Try this new Kimpanel being developed for KDE4
    Kimpanel - openSUSE Forums

    It may be a little more simple than getting skim to work.
    If you follwo the install instructions for kimpanel make sure you aslo install scim-anthy (the Japanese input part)

    If you want to get Skim to work - you need to start Skim (not scim) then go itno the configuration and change it to use kconfig rather than the gtk panel

    Make sure you have all scim dependencies installed if you want to use skim

    scim
    scim-bridge
    scim-anthy
    scim (can't remember exactly but has QT in the name)
    Skim
    and also some Japanese fonts

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    Default Re: Getting japanese input on US keyboard

    One other thing I forgot to mention.
    To get Skim (or scim) to work in Opensuse 11.2 with KDE4 you MUST have your local language set to English _US UTF8
    Any other language and you will find some apps where Japanese input will not.

    Pain I know - I have submitted a bug on this but not getting a lot of attention.

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    I don't know exactly what you are trying to accomplish, but for a simple input in Japanese
    I have NEVER touched 'language setting' or 'keyboard layout' for e-mail and writing a short passage.

    (In Japan, keyboards with the US layout are said to be quite common, if not the commonest.)

    With the 'SCIM' toggled on, the idea is to input a segment using Roman alphabet keys.
    With a good input, say, 'gakkou' ('school') is converted to Hiragana 'がっこう' on the spot;
    then to convert that to Kanji, select what you think is the correct form among the choices offered, '学校'.

    To start with, install the following (most if not all should be in the standard repo):
    anthy, scim,
    scim-anthy,
    '' -bridge
    '' -bridge-gtk
    '' -input-pad (handy for picking symbols)
    '' -tables
    '' -tables-ja.

    You should install some Japanese fonts, as well:
    ifntjapa, ifntjapb, xfntja, IPA(P){Mincho|Gothic}.
    'Droid' or 'Liberation' fonts are OK.

    Like others, I don't see any need to install 'skim-' packages. Regular 'scim-' packages are fine.

    You may want to subscribe to the repo:
    Index of /repositories/M17N/openSUSE_11.2

    Here is a gentle introduction to 'SCIM-Anthy' input method-engine:
    SCIM-anthy: getting started
    (A few things may not apply. Ignore Sections 1.1 and 1.2;
    openSUSE has those set up for you.)

    A Romaji-Kana conversion chart is handy to have around:
    Romaji-kana conversion in scim-anthy
    (Print this for reference.)

    Caution: Turn 'SCIM' off when you don't need it. You'll learn the lesson,
    soon and often enough.

    Taki

    PS There is now an effort to replace 'SCIM' with 'iBUS'. It seems 'SCIM' is tied to QT3
    or something. At any rate, 'iBUS' did not work at all when I tried it some months ago.

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    Default Re: Getting japanese input on US keyboard

    Quote Originally Posted by hito_kiri View Post
    Well I have many software related options in YaST, but like I said I added the japanese keyboard layout already, but it does nothing. I even found the SCIM configuration and everything seems to be set. Nothing seems to do anything different.
    You have misunderstood my point in relation to YaST; YaST makes sure the software knows the hardware configuration of your keyboard. It only has a limited role in how the software responds to your keyboard keypresses.

    You need to use the relevant settings in KDE or Gnome to get the keyboard to respond differently to your keypresses. I haven't ever used YaST for this purpose because since 2000 I have used the KDE keyboard settings for an alternative keyboard layout to the one shown on the hardware and I have had no problems.

    At least try this option before you dismiss it.

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    Thank you all, I am going to see if anything makes a difference. Does it make much difference if I am using 11.1 instead of 11.2?

    And John, I see what you mean now, I misunderstood what you were saying about YaST. but I have tried the way you describe and I can't seem to get it to work, but thank you anyways.

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    O.K., the problem I have is that I can not get scim to turn on. I should be able to press ctrl+space and it should work, but nothing happens, same for shift+space. I am not sure what the problem is, I have everything installed properly. Am I missing something as to how you are supposed to use it?

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    No I am dumb, I didn't logout and back in. It works great now, thank you.

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