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    Default Will OpenSuse 11.2 do all these audio things?

    Hello everybody,

    I've had Ubuntu on my laptop since more than one year, but never used it for anything special.

    Now I have got a "special" need: I want to use my laptop as an high-quality stereo audio source (think about it as a Super-iPod or something like that), connected via FireWire to and external audio board that will convert the digital signal and send the analog signal to a Hi-Fi amplifier and keeping the audio files on an external HDD (connected via USB 2.0)

    Now I've just changed my laptop's internal HDD and before installing any OS again I would like to know if OpenSUSE 11.2, that I'd like to try, will be able to do that.

    I'd like to know if it has got some problems with the things I want to do, If it has the apps I need, if it can support the drivers I will use and so on.

    For this "special" task, I've used only WindowsXP up to now. Ubuntu only for "the rest".

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    I'll try to be as clear as possible. I need:

    1) Some program/application that will copy my CDs just as they are, without compressing them, copying and saving the audio tracks bit-by-bit.
    Just like Windows does with WAV files and Mac does with AIFF files.

    Not Mp3 or FLAC, but just a perfect copy of what's written in the CD.
    Is it possible? Has Linux got such a kind of format?

    I'm talking about 16bit/44.1KHz tracks.

    (In Windows I've used the program EAC to do this)


    2) Some program/application that will extract the stereo audio tracks from my DVDs, always bit-by-bit without compression.

    We're going from 16bit/48KHz to 24bit/96KHz tracks.


    3) Some program/application that will extract the whole DVD (always without compression)
    (In fact the best would be extracting only the movie with the stereo track.)


    4)Some media player with a kind of library (like iTunes) that will put the files into its library and classify and show me all these files by author, composer, track title, album title etc and play all these files saved on the ext HDD

    5) Real-Time (A.K.A. low-latency) Kernel. Does OpenSUSE, like Ubuntu, offer this option?

    6) Last but (absolutely!) not least, I'd like to know if the following package will work on OpenSUSE:
    FFADO 2.0.0 Released! | ffado.org

    It's a *.gz package, it contains the drivers of my external FireWire Audio Board. Do you think this kind of package will give me any problems?


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    Thank you very much for your attention!


    Edoardo

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    Default Re: Will OpenSuse 11.2 do all these audio things?

    I can help you with item 1

    If you are happy with EAC you can run it successfully under WINE I use it, in addition I also run Foobar2000 and MP3Tag, also windows programs under WINE

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    Default Re: Will OpenSuse 11.2 do all these audio things?

    3) You could try HandBrake (tweak the settings accordingly), which supports ripping from a DVD disc and can export to an M4V/MP4 or MKV file; you can get it either by searching the YaST Software Management utility (depending on what repositories you have), or failing that download it from the official website.

    4) There are two options I know of: Amarok (should be installed by default on a fresh openSUSE installation) and Songbird (cross-platform, available here).

    Also you know that with FLAC it does produce a perfect copy of the audio, but it gets compressed without quality loss to save disk space? Just thought I'd check, that's all, in case you thought otherwise.

    Hope this helps.


    Regards,

    Jon.

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    1. Audex (or any ripper using cdparanoia) should do it. Audex as only one example can save the tracks in uncompressed wav or uncompressed flac.

    2. Not sure, but I think K9copy or handbrake can do this.

    3. See 2, although in this case I know it can be done. You need libdvdcss installed though (available in the Videolan repo, make sure to disable the repo after libdvdcss has been installed though). In some cases, the copy-protection can be a problem though.

    4. Amarok can do this, and I think Banshee and Rhytmbox can too if you prefer Gnome-based apps.

    5. There's a RT-kernel to be found here Index of /repositories/Kernel:/HEAD/openSUSE_11.2

    Note: I haven't tried it.

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    Default Re: Will OpenSuse 11.2 do all these audio things?

    Quote Originally Posted by Edoardo_P View Post
    1) Some program/application that will copy my CDs just as they are
    I think one can do a bit-by-bit copy for audio CDs, but I've never done this for a long time (last time was SuSE-9.x ) so I don't know the current 11.2 functionality.

    As for "Just like Windows does with WAV files and Mac does with AIFF files", a number of us (like myself) have not used Windows for over a decade, and have never used a Mac, so we have no idea as to those PC's capabilities. Hence the sort of question "does Linux do like another OS application" assumes someone knows the other OS and knows the application in the other OS, and many of us simply do not know that app (nor OS).

    Quote Originally Posted by Edoardo_P View Post
    2) Some program/application that will extract the stereo audio tracks from my DVDs, always bit-by-bit without compression.
    bit by bit copy track by track ? I know some applications will extract an audio track to a massive .wav file, but this is absolutely hudge, and IMHO makes no sense to keep in that format.

    For example packman packagers package devidify: PackMan :: Package details for devidify with their home page here: mahna mahna

    Quote Originally Posted by Edoardo_P View Post
    3) Some program/application that will extract the whole DVD (always without compression)
    There are some that will take the entire DVD and copy it to one's hard drive, with no compression, as a video_ts directory.

    Quote Originally Posted by Edoardo_P View Post
    4)Some media player with a kind of library (like iTunes)
    iTunes? Whats that? ... Still, Amarok and Songbird provide some neat categorization capabilities. If you have a PC with LOTS of RAM (say 4GB) you could boot to a liveCD, and install amarok and/or songbird in RAM, and then play around with those apps and you could test these apps, and use that test to help you formulate your decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edoardo_P View Post
    Now I've just changed my laptop's internal HDD and before installing any OS again I would like to know if OpenSUSE 11.2, that I'd like to try, will be able to do that.
    I would say for audio stuff you're better served with Ubuntu: less codecs conflitcs, more programs available and a slightly more reasonnable pulse approach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonitfcfan View Post
    Also you know that with FLAC it does produce a perfect copy of the audio, but it gets compressed without quality loss to save disk space? Just thought I'd check, that's all, in case you thought otherwise.

    Hope this helps.


    Regards,

    Jon.

    Hello Jon, very helpful, thank you, but I disagree on this point: a friend of mine made some double convertions and the double-converted files result different from the original (now I'm looking for the results to post).

    I don't know if these differences are audible (in fact that's unlikely), but since there are differences, and I do not want just to store, but also to back-up my CDs, and since HDD are cheap enough, I prefer the "bit-by-bit" option.

    Regards

    Edoardo

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    Default Re: Will OpenSuse 11.2 do all these audio things?

    Quote Originally Posted by please_try_again View Post
    I would say for audio stuff you're better served with Ubuntu: less codecs conflitcs, more programs available and a slightly more reasonnable pulse approach.
    Possibly for Linux beginners Ubuntu may have made some decisions for users to make it easier ... but codecs are EASY to install in openSUSE as long as one sets up 4 repositories and ONLY 4 repositories: OSS, Non-OSS, Update (which are all default) and Packman. Just those 4. No others. None. Others can cause problems. So ONLY those 4. Then install via zypper or via YaST > Software > Software Mangement, and stay away from the uncontrolled one click install stuff. Our how to section has good guidance: Multi-media and Restricted Format Installation Guide - openSUSE Forums ... but many new users decide they "know better" and ignore that advice, they run into trouble, and then rant against openSUSE.

    As for programs available, my view is the Packman packagers are very good in providing applications, and Ubuntu has no edge there.

    As for pulse audio, the horror stories I read on the Dell support mailing list for Linux, with complaints from Ubuntu users, says otherwise, at least it says that for Gnome. If one installs KDE, pulse audio is disabled by default, so there are NO pulse conflicts.

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    Gentlemen, you have been so quick and complete!

    I apologize for having referred to Mac or Microsoft softwares, it was just to make examples that may have been "common experience".


    I hope you may accept my "collective" Thank you all very much!

    Points 1 to 5 are solved. Now I have few last doubts:


    - What about question 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Edoardo_P View Post
    Hello everybody,

    6) Last but (absolutely!) not least, I'd like to know if the following package will work on OpenSUSE:
    FFADO 2.0.0 Released! | ffado.org

    It's a *.gz package, it contains the drivers of my external FireWire Audio Board. Do you think this kind of package will give me any problems?
    It's essential!





    Then:

    Quote Originally Posted by SauronXXX View Post
    4. Amarok can do this, and I think Banshee and Rhytmbox can too if you prefer Gnome-based apps.
    Do any of these apps run in OpenSUSE and Ubuntu indifferently?

    What about the repositories then?

    How does this "thing" GNOME/KDE work? Sorry I am a complete newbie on this!


    Thanks a lot

    Edoardo

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    Default Re: Will OpenSuse 11.2 do all these audio things?

    Quote Originally Posted by Edoardo_P View Post
    - What about question 6?
    According to webpin, someone packaged this for openSUSE-11.1: Webpin search for fdao on openSUSE-11.1

    However I get no webpin hits on a package for openSUSE-11.2. Still, I note this OBS repository by some private user:
    Code:
    http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/phoe/openSUSE_11.2/
    where there are some rpms for 64-bit (also 32-bit) openSUSE-11.2:
    • ffado-2.0.rc2-12.1.x86_64.rpm
    • ffado-devel-2.0.rc2-12.1.x86_64.rpm
    • ffado-mixer-2.0.rc2-12.1.x86_64.rpm
    • jack-ffado-0.118.0-2.1.x86_64.rpm
    but whether that means they will work - I do not know. Whether it is IMPOSSIBLE to configure (or easy to configure) - I do not know. Whether that is the same package as what you are considering - I do not know.

    One can also get the same results (for 11.2) by searching for ffado here:
    Software.openSUSE.org

    Webpin search engine is a superb resource for searching for packages.

    Another good search engine is : Software.openSUSE.org

    Some reading you should do before installing openSUSE:

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