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    Default on-line update via yast breaks "stuff"

    As fairly new opensuse user, I have to say that I'm finding the on-line update in yast to not be worth the bother any more.

    First it was breaking my X config on my NVIDIA driver, so that X would fail after the update and I'd have to reinstall NVIDIA's driver once again.

    But the other day it also started to break my wireless driver.

    Now strictly speaking, this is a badly formed complaint. I should be able to go to the Yast logs and look up which package update _may_ have had some thing to do with both breaking the X and wireless driver.

    In fact, I should not be saying "break" at all and should verifying that it just isn't some small readjustment in configuration which could easily be repaired without having to go to the extremes of removing, rebuilding and reinstalling both drivers (which is what I did).

    But the problem is time. I _can_ do all that, but somehow it seems against the philosophy of yast, which is not meant to be so manual.

    So the upshot is, I'm pretty disappointed, and wont be doing any more on-line updates, unless anybody can shed any light.

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    Default Re: on-line update via yast breaks "stuff"

    Both wireless and graphics drivers are compiled against the kernel. That's a bit of a generalization because for me all my drivers are installed automatically because the drivers are actually a part of the kernel. But for many - they have to download and install a driver or add an online repository to supply the driver to build against the kernel.
    Particularly in the case where you manually install say a nvidia graphics driver, will you always have to re-install the driver.

    If you are a convert from windows, this will be a bit of a new concept. Because windows never has kernel updates.
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    Default Re: on-line update via yast breaks "stuff"

    caf4926 wrote:
    > If you are a convert from windows, this will be a bit of a new concept.
    > Because windows never has kernel updates.

    hello stabu,
    all caf said is true...especially the part about new kernels....they
    seem to come every couple of months....whereas windows comes every two
    or three hundred dollars..

    but, you can do yourself a favor....i _guess_ you installed your
    nvidia drive the 1-Click way, whereas if you did it the "hard way"
    (see the next time a kernel came out
    YaST would automatically download and install 1) the new kernel, 2)
    the new kernels headers, 3) recompile the nvidia driver using the new
    kernel header, 4) install the new nvidia driver...

    and, you would then learn that the "hard way" is really the easy way
    (unless you like all of that manual helping of YaST every kernel update)..

    HOWEVER, with reference to your "wont be doing any more
    on-line updates, unless anybody can shed any light": don't tell anyone
    but there are folks who do NOT automatically do every on-line update
    which flows out the door...

    i mean, if you have a burning need to be on the edge of the sword then
    do them immediately....otherwise wait a while...say a week and then
    look around the fora for threads like "latest update killed my
    openSUSE, whaaaaaaaaaa" (you can use the forum advanced search to
    (say) check all posts in the last one or two weeks, month) where you
    might then find that the broken update has been repaired..

    one thing to remember: if you want a stable, dependable, production
    system then you probably should not be using openSUSE 11.2 to begin
    with!! (i'm using 10.3, it hasn't had an update since it went
    non-supported when 11.2 came out....but, i'm not afraid it will be
    cracked nor use it)

    if you have to have stable, then you should (imo) realize that we here
    are mostly in the business of squashing BUGs in leading edge software
    which will lead to the periodic production and release of commercial
    quality software that is sold and supported by Novell...if you need
    secure, stable, dependable (not broken by YaST) production quality
    system get SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop (SLED) or SUSE Linux
    Enterprise Server (SLES)....compared to the alternatives it rather
    inexpensive (especially if you value your much have you
    spent fixing problems introduced by the community release?)

    ymmv (disclaimer: i do not and have not ever worked for Novell, nor
    have i ever installed nor run SLED, but i may someday..)


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    Thumbs up Re: on-line update via yast breaks "stuff"

    OK, got it, many thanks you guys for the nice replies (although I'm not a windows convert, but ... I'm able to _not_ take offence :-D)

    Palladium especially for your lengthy reply. I feel guilty almost's just that usually I expect off-the-cuff two to three line replies.

    Thanks alot, you've both painted the picture well for me and I am now enlightened.


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